The Antichrist

This. This is the ultimate point. And if any of those players, that own that house, that have keys or don't have keys to that house, they are going to say they do. Sometimes they will be telling the truth. Sometimes they will lie. And I shouldn't have to file 5 fucking player reports to bust the 1 liar at absolute best possible credit to the player bases honesty level, because I have no other way of figuring out the truth. That's asinine.

And to top it all off, you are required to dispute the player and tell on yourself for the report giving them an actual chance to gain ownership of the house in the meantime. Staff aren't log checking on this regularly and we know it. It's a license to rdm, and if the staff actually check on 'in game' tickets that sit there forever instead of logchecking the time and date of the ticket, they get a one day ban so far down the line the can just claim there was initiation without it being expected to be held up on their end of things due to the time between the ticket being placed and processed. You're creating an entirely unnecessary bureaucratic process that is prone to doubt, wastes a ton of people's time for no reason other than to police something by creating so much unnecessary work that you hope a bunch of people just stop doing it. The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy. You've created the DMV. Congratulations.

Woah now you did good. The only thing the lil homie does wrong is protecting big john lol. Let's scheme to turn your iron slaves into an upvote farm.

Different situation. Was rdm'ed 4x, reported 2x before staff up and decided it's not rdm anymore. Regardless I already confirmed.

I actually honestly see your point, but the counter is just stronger. Enforcing it is so aids that it's just not viable or practical to enforce the rules of allowing rdming in those situations. And it puts an unfair amount of burden and time cost on the player who is potentially being rdm'ed to have to verify over and over again. Can you try to see where I'm coming from and not just dismiss the value of players in my positions time and effort that easily? It's saying "hey I see you're spending a large amount of money to do this, but now you have to spend hours upon hours uploading videos and filing tickets forever because some guy with a pdub claimed he owned a house across the street from your bomb and ended your 1 million dollar kit." It's an absolutely unnecessary 'fuck you' to players who spend money on explosives.

No not really. I'm not trying to insult you with this 'career medic' stuff but there is some serious validity to it. You haven't experienced the wide variety of situations that are far more common than you realize. People keyshare all the time. Just because you see someone accessing a house doesn't mean it's theirs. I blow up houses all the time that 2-3 gang members access and I have no idea who owns it. That's extremely common.

??? You can't do that for houses. Not sure how I'm being unclear on this. You want to put players in the same exact situation with houses where they can't check registration and just have to trust or waste an inordinate amount of time uploading clip after clip after clip because you told people they can rdm people for planting bombs near their houses. I feel like you're just intentionally dodging my point to troll me.

Obviously, that isn't the point. The only way I could prove it was by checking registration, which you want to put players in that same situation but with houses. If I didn't check registration I would have had to take their word for it. If I didn't and they just claimed it was kevins, then I would probably not even bother uploading because it would be a waste of time if they're right, and a waste of staff's times to check logs and review. Try to get what I'm saying. It isn't about the rule itself, I have no problem with the rule technically, just that the burden of proof is on the rdm victim too hard to trust the rdmer that it wasn't rdm, to trust the staff is going to do their job fully ever time, and even if all is done correctly, a huge waste of time for ever instance that it is legitimate. I'm trying to help you understand the reality of civ gameplay and why that isn't a viable option. That's all. You've come out in support of the furry purge and for that I respect you more than @ -Shawn- who is a fursuit sympathizer at best, full furry at worst. But this just doesn't work. It's an unfair amount of work to players who are victims of rdm to prove it, and are expected to waste an insane amount of time verifying.

It's not exactly like it's a reach and I never claimed that. You two have just been the most vocal about it. Don't cry anime pfp, you'll get boogies on your fursuit.

This is why it doesn't work. This is why what you're doing is a stupid idea. 1 hour of playtime since I made this ticket, and without even trying I'm able to demonstrate how common this situation is and how players cannot be trusted as a source of who owns a building. They said it was Kevin's truck, the guy who killed me, and I checked registration on video and it was not. Told them I checked registration and they called me a liar. ONE HOUR OF PLAYTIME. THATS ALL IT TOOK SINCE I MADE THIS POST. ONE HOUR AND I WAS IN THIS SAME EXACT SITUATION WITH A VEHICLE AND WAS ONLY SAVED WITH PROOF BECAUSE I COULD CHECK REGISTRATION. And every single time I'm in this situation with a house I'm supposed to take their word for it or waste a half hour uploading to confirm the right person killed me, to which staff don't even actually check. If I didn't check registration in this video, staff would just say he owned it and close the ticket. Now you want to fuck over players with this same laziness based situations with buildings. It's absurd. Unrestrained at 4:22 Check vehicle registration: AOS GOLLD at 5:15 Killed at 6:43 (no other player fired shots at all) @ David Miller @ Bubbaloo - Reusable P Cup (because youre smart enough you might grasp this unlike some) @ Noble @ Masonn @ Grandma Gary Please try to understand what I'm saying. 1 hour and it's already an relevant issue. That's all it took, and I wasn't even trying. You're not actually changing the rules, you've just either assigned yourselves and a bunch of innocent players countless hours of needless work, and/or giving a ton of retards a license to rdm forever. @ -Shawn- @ Marcus I know you've entrenched yourself in your position so much that logic, no matter how in your face it is isn't going to make you understand. You're emotionally invested in being right no matter what. But you aren't right. All you're doing is punishing rdm victims.

AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S A VALID TICKET is because I checked registration on the vehicle. Had I not, staff would have not bothered and just declined the ticket. No no sweety I'm sorry I yelled. @ Mako Please add a fidget spinner to the moderator panel ty.

Ok. I have a ticket I'm about to fill out from an incident yesterday and it's going to demonstrate perfectly why it works for vehicles and not buildings. It took ONE DAY OF NOT EVEN TRYING to get evidence of them trying to scam people into getting rdm'ed.

I have no issues with rule changes when they are done properly and not done after a player has broken a rule to shield that player from not taking any consequences. Should have been done properly, with an announcement, and that player STILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED BECAUSE THEY BROKE A RULE. I have another ticket about to go in on the same gang. RDM'ed me AGAIN, this time I was in a stolen vehicle that didn't belong to the player that killed me and I can't help but get this unnerving feeling that somehow we're going to change that rule to let them get away with rdming again. And also, I take huge issue with the mechanics of how this works out and all my citing of the lack of staff experience is due to players having no way to confirm ownership of the building, while also feeling players shouldn't be able to confirm ownership of a building. Take the ticket that started all of t his. I asked multiple times whether the guy who killed me was even in AOS at the time and have gotten no confirmation, and get the strong impression nobody has even bothered looking into it. There's a good chance he was just a group member at the time he killed me, and that's the very first ticket relating to this rule change and staff already not doing their due diligence to confirm. He was in a different group, that merged into AOS group, and was a r0 two days later. And if it's like the vehicle rules, then it has to be the owner, not a keyholder. So I get killed guy one who has keys to his friends house from (gangbangers), and his friend transfers him ownership before ticket is done, I'm almost 100% sure staff aren't checking every time, and if they do I'm almost 100% sure it will be after more than a month like these tickets usually go on for. This rule is creating a level of work staff have already demonstrated an unwillingness to do on a regular basis... those same staff pushing for this change. It's frustrating hearing staff say "yeah it's way more work but we got this, no problem" while already not even doing their due diligence on the very first ticket that caused them to change the rule. We are already having problems with them not confirming properly.

It's impossible to enforce properly. That's the problem. It's not the action of it... it's the fact that players can't confirm ownership so it shouldn't be a rule. I can almost 100% guarantee by the time the 5th ticket hits from an rdm and players needing to confirm house ownership staff are going to get lazy and not confirm that ownership at the actual time. I've seen at least 20 tickets where staff couldn't even be bothered to glance at a dispute, and we have to trust staff are going to actually check ownership of a house at the specific time and day of the rdm.

Diamond, you're the exception to most rules.

I think it's absolute fucking aids. Cops aren't special. If they lower it for cops they should lower it for civs equally. Maybe you can stop Navrasing? Not so easy is it? Sir please back away from the child. @ Boovin I don't wanna tell you how to live your life but this looks a lot like harassment. You've been basically threatening me with 'extermination,' have went on rants about committing genocide to gay people, and have said at least 50 things I could have had you permed for, all the while spending literally hundreds of hours of your life spam downvoting me, and I didn't report you. I got 5 staff members in my inbox telling me you are reporting everything I say for weeks and asking me to chill so you stop crying for even one minute. You don't get to call anyone a crybaby. What you've been doing is peak tear production. You're crying so hard it's straight up making staff uncomfortable.

Due to spam repeated reports, I'm not going to say anything to you. You cry too much. Please just stick to spam downvoting me for 1 hour a day.

now they're literally out here like this They don't even bother following any of the rules anymore. They just rdm at will and staff turn into their personal lawyers and change rules for em. Why should they. They openly brag about the shit now. Why wouldn't they.

No... Someone else should have been.. but to stop that from happening they compeltely rewrote the rules on the fly instead of doing it the right way.

Ok they changed the rules on paper on this one. I'm wrong and stand corrected. Wasn't an attack on you milo you know I you.

Take boltcutting. Boltcutting a house door has never been engagement, but now @ Milo and a few other staff members seem to think it is. Has never been.. but now, instead of correcting what they think, we're gonna do a whole gaslight cycle, pretend it was a gray area, and it's going to be a new rule. But we're going to pretend it was always that way. Just like we did with plane engagements, just like we just did with planting bombs ect. People who pay attention and actually try to follow the rules get fucked cause staff don't pay attention.

As I have pointed out like 100x now, staff on this server do nothing at all to bridge the gap between the written rules and the rule interpretations. I've tried to encourage defining these more times than I can count, and I usually get told something along the lines of 'we never really have problems with that status quo it's fine.' Then it leads to a bunch of wild and radical changes, that usually take place in the middle of situations after staff have already told players it's one way. Players should never have to be concerned that one day staff is going to suddenly just up and decide that something is or isn't against the rules when it was always the opposite prior. A vast majority of staff on the server are basically checked out, and don't even bother paying attention or keeping up to date on previous rulings. Take for example, tags. If a gang has a tag directly tied to a gang you're at war with you can kill them without initiation. So if someone has Teamplayers (TP) tags, and I'm at war with Teamplayers, and they're white name I can kos. I guarantee 90% of the staff would say you can't. It's already been ruled on. I know how fucky staff on this server are about keeping track of this so I cover my ass by holding onto a screenshot for 4 years of @ Grandma Gary saying that's the case. How many staff honestly know that? There was no formal announcement, no formal rule change, and I guarantee almost every staff member would ban for that because of the poor communication and rule updates. If I didn't have the forethought to take that screenshot, good chance I would be banned and shawn would say he has a different opinion and it would become an entire vote process to randomly change the rules, they would all try to gaslight me into thinking I don't know what I'm talking about as they have in these last two instances where I don't have recordings/screenshots. Grandma gary probably doesn't even remember ruling on that. The rules are so bad players have to keep track of them themselves and even then, constantly wonder if some staff member is going to randomly form a different opinion and everything's going to change for no reason at all.

I have not threatened to break any rules or exploit in any way. Quite the opposite. Only to demonstrate both the difficulties in trying to enforce this insanity and some of the many ways it will backfire and how it is exactly what I said it is.... speculation based rules where players have a license to rdm without consequence. I don't intend to do the rdming. And you know as well as I do that if the first two staff members said they were against changing it, it would be 11-0 the other way. Subordinates don't vote against superiors. And I'm outnumbered, but far from alone in my take on this...I just use bombs more than anyone so I'm the most affected. The ol Retired staff special. If someone who's never played a medic wanted to make a drastic rule change that effected you severely, you would care. Were bending over backwards to let a gang rdm me that declines war invites from me on the daily. I offer them a license to kos, and they decline because they manipulated their way into one way kos where they never have to be in danger.

This is insanely abusable on both ends and I 100% intend to demonstrate how and you guys are going to refuse to ban when I follow this new system to the letter...watch. you're changing the rules and you won't enforce them accordingly. I'm going to be rdmed... multiple times...according to your new made up stupid rules...and you wont do a damned thing to the rdmers.

Staff are not going to do their due diligence and enforce this fairly. You're putting the burden on rdm victims to have to upload every single time they die in these circumstances to check if ownership is on point, and they will swap, and I have no fucking clue how anyone is actually expecting staff to be thorough in these situations when half the time they can't even be bothered to read disputes. You're saying "fuck you" to the people buying the expensive shit to blow up stuff and giving the goahead rdm license to anyone who sees them doing it and they just have to take any potential rdmers word that the property was theirs. You're fucking people over for using bombs. And you guys don't care because you can't figure out how abusable this is because it's not your problem.