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Just now, thomp62 said:

Thats understandable. APD still won in the end and they didnt mass wave armor im sure. I think this is a good step in the right direction.

At the end of the day there is no reason to drag out half the pos and deputys and give them a free event just because a few tases is inconvenient. I wish I could have sat in on the event but its certainly a better route. What Aegis brings to the table the APD SHOULD match; now all cases are not the same and it depends on the seniors at hand.  

21 minutes ago, thomp62 said:

damn you messaged the APD and they still stacked 2x more thats a problem

They had 6 lethals, the channel was locked, and 85% of those juniors are not by any means "top fraggers". I doubt mass armor was used and I can almost guarantee that lethals were NOT authed. Again its an EVENT; at that its the hardest event on the server. No reason it should be a walk in the park.

6 hours ago, batGooseCan said:

federal reserve win strat rn is pull so much armor and smoke so much that the server lags. Cops then jump over a wall and kill civs that cannot see them! Very fun

This is not at all the strat batcan. Smoke is used to block angles and the armor is used to make it to the wall lol. Aegis was raised inside a canister of smoke nothing new for them.

35 minutes ago, Sevro said:

A Blackwater yesterday was fairly fun, and fair, I believe we had about 15 + medic and cops had 19. Good waves with armor, lots of good fights. But as soon as bomb was blown, there were 4 ghawks already pulled and 2 armed planes chasing the hawk that spawned. Keep in mind this was as soon as bomb blew, and we didnt even know if it would be an air vehicle or an AT. Also people roaching with titans to shoot down any civ vehicles. Not much possible in that scenario lol

Me and Caden were in the first hawk that was in BW and zeuse was in the other. 2 armed planes were shot down over rebel boat meir seconds after shooting at the hawk.

21 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

New gangs get the same treatment hence why no other groups really do federal events.

This is NOT true at all. 

Just now, monster said:

The reason the civilians use that gear is because they Mass armor and auth lethals regardless of the situation or gear, it is the civs adapting to the cops not the otherway around.

If you don't bring the gear then you could have argued in an IA

22 minutes ago, Noble said:

Would love to have shown peope what 2018 feds looked like with 15 hunters pushing 2nd wave. Good times!

2018 to 2020 was pure rape. 

1 minute ago, SPBojo said:

I'm not going to leak anything or say something im not permitted to say but Rexo found it okay that there was 3+ Hawks and 2+ planes already at the BW when the bomb blew all guns hot THE SECOND someone were to jump into the air vehicle that spawned. I wouldn't get my hopes up in regards to changes in that department.

Again that's here nor there, I play the faction to enjoy it, I also would like to see change, and unfortunately sometimes there is nothing us lower fuckers can do. They've sat in higher chairs then me for a long long time. Not to mention I had to rebuild my reputation from the ground up.

1 minute ago, SPBojo said:

I mean, tbf, currently most deputies dont even know LIST so fuck knows what they teach them these days

Again, its in internal issue, If I had say trust me! It'd be different. I can only go as far as they let my words travel.

2 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

Already done mate and every single time that ^ is the response with nothing changing ^-^

Thats a issue within the sAPD and I have nothing to say in regards to it. 

Just now, ben- said:

This is true, but again going back to the thing about 3rd wave authorisation after we lost 5 civs instantly. Is that no progress? Believe me we IAd that already and nothing happened

Again, what was your numbers, I can almost guarantee you had a medic, and the epis came quick. 

3 minutes ago, ben- said:

Except this is the issue, how is it our fault we are being punished because we can shoot a few cops out of a hatchback who drive in a straight line. Sure after a few waves if nothing is happening auth lethals but not on the third wave because sAPD ego is hurt that they are losing

If the APD know that no progress will be made its the seniors call. At the end of the day its all delt with on the back end and with the sAPD. IA's would be the only way to fix this because the rules are wrote in favor of situations.

1 minute ago, SPBojo said:

Skill gap is indeed large at times but that should not mean that "oh yeah, lets ignore proportionality" should be a "valid strat" simply due to the lack of APD internal trainings / ability to strategize.  

If the APD had to sit and run through fed and explain every situation to new cops, it would be a waste of time, players would decline being a cop, and how effective is it really when the strats change constantly.

2 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

More than 1 senior.

 

Interesting.

2 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

That's what we used to do, you seem to forget there was a time without RPG's and so on. APD started armor slamming against regular kits and we have to up what we brought, they then upped what they brought and we had to yet again up what we brought. We are not at a point where there isnt much more we can bring outside of AT / HMG Vehicles which quite frankly are more of a liability than anything.

Again the skill gap is large, hunters are not tough, and the JAPD hardly knows what to do without a brained player screaming down the mic, you guys had no issue with the amount of armor used at feds months ago.. Until BWs (the hardest event) turned into loses.

3 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

7 People without a medic had mass armor waves used against them by 2x more cops than civs, lethals was authorized wave 3. If your telling me APD are so scared they have to do such against 7 people where quite frankly only 2 of them had "non shaky hands" i think a revision within the entire APD has to be done and a full rework of ranks / people in ranks.

I was not there but this is a valid point, I would take pictures of channels, videos of waves, and explain it all in a IA. 

4 minutes ago, ben- said:

But heres the issue, how can we prove this? I am not going to name names and start drama on a forum thread but here we go, just yesterday we lost I think 5 of us in a first lethal wave and yet they still authorised lethals for the next wave and mass pulled armour. I think there needs to be more than just a forum thread made about this issue, I go out my way to spend millions every loadout and so does everyone else because of this shit happening and we cant physically fight double or numbers with just mk1s.

Was this due to poor positioning and over extending? If this is the BW Im thinking of you all were way out of the inner amount. You also had a solid 14 players and a medic. If the treatment towards the events is overwhelming then simply submit an IA. I can assure you with rexo stepping in and the understanding of both sides change will be made. It may have to be made at the expense of someones rank and thats what happens sometimes.

5 minutes ago, ben- said:

When sAPD members see no issue with response numbers nothing is going to happen no matter how long this thread goes on for. 

Some seniors see an issue and play very on the back side and others see the civ side and the win rate as valid cause to perform the way they do.

7 minutes ago, ben- said:

It also doesn't help that lethal authorisation is being based on "skill level" (their own words) by certain sAPD members before even attempting to make a few useful pushes

The gang aegis has grown a name for the skill behind the players. You cannont sit here and argue as if you guys are new to events. 

1 minute ago, thomp62 said:

Even if my proposed solutions are not viable, I’m hoping that this post will spark debate and more community ideas for how to make feds fairer for all sides.

They are always being discussed from the high ranks in the APD, through the leads of CC, and through staff and devs daily.

1 minute ago, ben- said:

I think you forget we have to buy gear in response to what you bring to us, we've had sAPD members tell us they want to make it impossible for us which in turn means we need to start using RPGs + Zafs + Granit T5 every single loadout. The argument stems a lot deeper than just oh well Aegis win. If the normal response (Aegis are the only current ppl who do feds and BWs a lot) is bringing this amount of air vehicles and armour what happens to other gangs like TP who dont usually carry this amount of gear? Is it just going to happen and they have to accept it?

Whoever the sAPD member was that said this I'm curious about. The less gear you use, the less explosives used, and the less cancer strats abused, all relate to the force responded with, If you had no gear and it was possible to slam without 150 round belts slammed into hatchbacks with zafs then there would be hardly any reason to pull armor to run around and do crazy shit. Armor would then be used halfway through to attempt a defuse like its always been used for. The response is all based on the skill, gear, and numbers. I cannont speak for those calling the shots because thats not me.

3 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

I mean, proportionality has been a issue for ages, even back 3 months ago there was rampant federal events being done and yet no suggested changes from sAPD.

 

Not much I can do as a JAPD member, if they let me sit in and propose, then they would have to let everyone.

1 minute ago, SPBojo said:

Everything they actually propose to change and bring to roundtables is not hidden

There has not been a roundtable post for three months. I'm talking recently due to the active state of events. 

Speaking on the last roundtable posted, the changes regarding feds were directly related to FTO's including .9mm sups and .45mm sups at feds..

1 minute ago, monster said:

right so 7 ghosthawks a wave is "balancing" the fight and not making it unbearably aids for civs?

There was 14 titans on the floor in rebel last night when we raided after you have titaned 2 planes, three hawks, and were still attempting to shoot down more. We brought three hawks, one to fight the hawk you had, and two for the 4 titans you had on ground. Blackwaters are not meant to be easy and with the gear you had three hawks in the air after leaving BW and being multiple hawks lost seems plenty fair. You also had a rebel with NO NLR and respawns. 

24 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

As for "only civ sided things would pass", you can thank your local sAPD for cancering yall and close to never suggesting any buffs to junior APD outside of "nuclear" things that would completely ruin balance in all way shapes or forms ^-^

Again its all hidden info, nothing they propose is public, and we are not sitting in on meetings regarding it.

Thank you @ Zahzi . When I was an active member of Aegis during the summer of 2023 so May through July we started increasing the amount of federal events done. The static rate dropped as everyone spaced out and burned out overtime; you can see the steady increase from late 2023 to early 2024 as we steadily increase in the combined rate. When I was in Federal Civ Council we had a dollar amount of gold sold and the exact amount of bombs blown etc on a spreadsheet shared each month. Id be curious to see the current dollar amounts and stats etc.

As for the entire countering from the APD, I will speak as a heavy head in the Federal events from the APD side currently. The skill level between the solid 24 aegis members who played in the last month and the entire JAPD is so different. I'd say a rough average of more then 50% of the JAPD have never done a Blackwater or Fed on the Civ Side; and if some have they most likely failed. We cannot change the knowledge of the APD and what they soak in is based on what they deal with. At the end of the day me and majority of the APD as a whole want to WIN. That's the goal in the APD against the civs. In order to win we have to be able to push and make progress; if the JAPD does not understand how to push it makes it impossible to fight. Armor is necessary to push when the gear is at the level it is, the liquid money Aegis has backing them, and once again the skill gap. Lethals are needed when situations are outnumbered and progress is not made. Medics increase the productivity of the Civs and decrease progress from the APD; this is also a reason in which lethals are authed more often. 
I can assure from the seniors I speak to daily they have no intentions on making the fight aids; only to balance the fight at hand. 

Federal events are not meant to be easy, back in 2020 the APD was a hammer on nails, they would beat down every event, the win rate was very low, and the fights were tough. In no way should it be changed from then to now, only that civs have grown to learn new strats and abuse new features. The APD and the win rate recently is a reflection of overall handling of a whole situation and NOT select APD members. 

At the end of the day I do not have the privilege to sit in on the sAPD round table and I'm genuinely curious as into what happens during them in regards to the stats and how they approach handling future events. I believe the force that is pushed is beyond balanced and at the end of the day its not always going to be black and white. Things happen and every situation is different.    
 

TLDR; half the changes benefit civs the other half the APD, only changes that would pass are the civ sided, and this spreadsheet is no where near the full list, I would ask that @ SPBojo @ Zahzi  post the stats from march regarding the entire server.

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