Charlie Kirk Got RDM'ed

[Milo 1293]

5 minutes ago, Toretto said:

If he (and his daughter) agreed to keep the child after an incident like this then that is for them to decide.

When he said "the baby would be delivered" I think it implies he wouldn't give her a choice. Maybe I am misinterpreting this but that is how I took it.

6 minutes ago, Toretto said:

I personally know someone who was the product of rape and they have made it through life fine.

That's good, but his daughter was 10 years old. I imagine that birth at that young of an age could have serious physical consequences.

11 minutes ago, Toretto said:

Active uprisings are occurring globally right now, and countries with access to weapons can overthrow their corrupt government, while countries without weapons cannot.

Our country has an insanely high military budget. Truthfully speaking I just don't think the people's right to own guns really makes us any safer against that. Moreover any of us safer in the present.

21 minutes ago, Toretto said:

No sane republican is saying "school shootings are fine so long as we keep our 2nd amendment."

I don't think any sane republicans are saying that. Legislating against gun control though with really no other alternative other than "lets give teachers guns" just seems like a really inadequate solution to the problem in my eyes. There are multiple Western countries which have implemented stricter gun control over recent decades and seen improvements in mass shootings, suicides and other firearm related incidents.

[Gwate 42]

People are super soy if you expect anyone besides people sympathetic to Kirk's cause to care about this guy's death. You can feel upset about the loss that his kids and wife had, but if Kirk was in the same situation, he would be laughing at your death on the other side of the spectrum.

Remember when Pelosi got attacked with a hammer by a home invader and Kirk called for people to bail out the attacker? Pepperidge farm remembers

Note to most Americans since history doesn't seem to be your strong suit, political violence in your country was pretty common. You have just had a period of 30 years or so where it has been minimal. Is being a fascist christian nationalist who wants to remove the separation between state and church (A staple of America) and a side by side ally to the President who continues to violate the constitution and it's norms that you continue to be a mouthpiece for as he slowly moves the states into his own weird fascist ideal enough to warrant your death? 

Judicially probably not but when the actions of Trump and his appointees threaten the livelihood of people everyday (Cuts to medicare, the seemingly push against vaccinations, the war against anything LGBT related etc.), expect the everyday people to direct their anger somewhere. And when you're the head of a Christian Nationalist social movement that aids the trump administration, the target for that anger becomes a lot easier to direct. 

Both ways I could give less of a fuck that someone destroying the US was put in a grave early. It's just ironic the gun advocate got smoked by a gun 

 

[Toretto 839]

6 minutes ago, Milo said:

When he said "the baby would be delivered" I think it implies he wouldn't give her a choice. Maybe I am misinterpreting this but that is how I took it.

That's good, but his daughter was 10 years old. I imagine that birth at that young of an age could have serious physical consequences.

Sorry man but this just proves you aren't informed on the guy. His eldest child was born in 2022. You plucked a quote from a debate where the woman debating him said, "If a 10-year-old kid is raped and gets pregnant..." he then replies to that. Take into consideration that Charlie would say "the baby would be delivered" is due to the values he instills in his children. Obviously, if it were to ever happen, then it would be up to the woman to decide what to do.

 

[HydraPOX 103]

4 minutes ago, Gwate said:

Is being a fascist christian nationalist who wants to remove the separation between state and church (A staple of America) and a side by side ally to the President who continues to violate the constitution and it's norms that you continue to be a mouthpiece for as he slowly moves the states into his own weird fascist ideal enough to warrant your death? 

out of all the smooth brain-ness on this thread this might take the cake

[Gwate 42]

1 minute ago, HydraPOX said:

out of all the smooth brain-ness on this thread this might take the cake

Provide a critique with a substantial retort or keep dragging your balls against the floor like a monkey  

[Todd Dinger 67]

30 minutes ago, Toretto said:

This is not an insane belief. If he (and his daughter) agreed to keep the child after an incident like this then that is for them to decide.

This is absolutely an insane belief and I'd be willing to bet you're in the minority here. A 10 year old first of all cannot reasonably make that decision and forcing a child to do that is sickening. 

31 minutes ago, Toretto said:

Active uprisings are occurring globally right now, and countries with access to weapons can overthrow their corrupt government

This is such an outdated argument. Your constitution has mechanisms to prevent a tyrannical government. And modern military technologies render a civilian rebellion utterly useless. The disparity between civilian weaponry and the militaries capabilities (armor, aircraft, surveillance, etc.) makes your argument completely theoretical. 

7 minutes ago, Toretto said:

Please enlighten all of us on the things he said that "even a regular conservative should denounce."

• Called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a huge mistake because it supposedly created some permanent DEI bureaucracy or whatever (Wikipedia, CBC). Imo this is the most fucked up one of these points.
• Said MLK was awful and not a good person (Newsweek)
• Literally said gun deaths are worth it to keep the 2nd Amendment: "It's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment" (Media Matters, Newsweek)
• Spread COVID misinformation and called vaccine mandates medical apartheid (Wikipedia, WaPo)
• Claims white privilege is a myth and pushed Great Replacement conspiracy theories saying it's not a theory, it's reality (Wikipedia, CBC)
• Made racist comments about Black pilots wondering if they're even qualified (NewsOne, Newsweek)

[Milo 1293]

12 minutes ago, Toretto said:

Sorry man but this just proves you aren't informed on the guy.

That's my bad, I didn't realize that wasn't accurate.

12 minutes ago, Toretto said:

Take into consideration that Charlie would say "the baby would be delivered" is due to the values he instills in his children.

What values are those exactly? Ones forcing a child to go through a traumatic birth where they might have to share custody with their rapist?

[F3AR 62]

2 minutes ago, Todd Dinger said:

This is absolutely an insane belief and I'd be willing to bet you're in the minority here. A 10 year old first of all cannot reasonably make that decision and forcing a child to do that is sickening. 

but a ten year old can make a reasonable decision to end a human life? don't care where you stand on the issue ending a pregnancy for any reason other then the life of the mother is murder.

[Todd Dinger 67]

1 minute ago, F3AR said:

but a ten year old can make a reasonable decision to end a human life? don't care where you stand on the issue ending a pregnancy for any reason other then the life of the mother is murder.

Yeah I’m not going to get into the whole “at what point is it a life” sort of thing. I just fundamentally disagree with you on that. There are many, in my opinion, valid reasons to end a pregnancy.

[Milo 1293]

[HydraPOX 103]

12 minutes ago, Gwate said:

Provide a critique with a substantial retort or keep dragging your balls against the floor like a monkey  

trying to bait people into a political arguments on the olympus forums is peak olympus entertainment

[F3AR 62]

3 minutes ago, Todd Dinger said:

Yeah I’m not going to get into the whole “at what point is it a life” sort of thing. I just fundamentally disagree with you on that. There are many, in my opinion, valid reasons to end a pregnancy.

because any line drawn at "what is a life" can be drawn about adults as well. heart beat? cool everyone with a pace maker taken out back since their heart doesn't beat on it's own. There is no line. If a pregnancy is detected its a human life. I guarantee any line you try to draw there is a counter that effects adults.

[Eno 23]

1 minute ago, F3AR said:

because any line drawn at "what is a life" can be drawn about adults as well. heart beat? cool everyone with a pace maker taken out back since their heart doesn't beat on it own. There is no line. If a pregnancy is detected its a human life. I guarantee any line you try to draw there is a counter that effects adults.

even before pregnancy it’s human life. I store my semen in milk jugs so that I can cultivate them into my own little army once the technology gets there

[Toretto 839]

10 minutes ago, Milo said:

What values are those exactly? Ones forcing a child to go through a traumatic birth where they might have to share custody with their rapist?

The values Charlie would instill in his children are those of his Christian religion. That every life, even at conception, deserves to live. I'm not a religious person, but religion does help instill good values in people. In the case of rape, you won't have to share custody with a rapist, like what?

[Eno 23]

2 minutes ago, Toretto said:

The values Charlie would instill in his children are those of his Christian religion. That every life, even at conception, deserves to live. I'm not a religious person, but religion does help instill good values in people. In the case of rape, you won't have to share custody with a rapist, like what?

Religion is also at the core of most international conflicts, so much for good values

[Todd Dinger 67]

Just now, Eno said:

Religion is also at the core of most international conflicts, so much for good values

and cultural genocide and pedophilia

[Toretto 839]

20 minutes ago, Todd Dinger said:

This is such an outdated argument. Your constitution has mechanisms to prevent a tyrannical government. And modern military technologies render a civilian rebellion utterly useless. The disparity between civilian weaponry and the militaries capabilities (armor, aircraft, surveillance, etc.) makes your argument completely theoretical.

America just fought a 20-year war in Afghanistan against cave-dwelling terrorists and never eliminated all of them. What makes you think the civilians cannot overtake the government? Syria was controlled by Assad for 20+ years and used chemical weapons as well as tanks against his own people. They took over the country with AK-47s. Develop your own opinion ffs lmao.

Just now, Eno said:

Religion is also at the core of most international conflicts, so much for good values

Religion is absolutely a major reason for most wars over the past few thousand years! Totally agree! However, there's good values that can come from it. Thou shall not kill, steal, commit adultery, etc. These are good values to teach the population, and trickling in the fear of God helps keep in line.

22 minutes ago, Todd Dinger said:

• Called the Civil Rights Act of 1964 a huge mistake because it supposedly created some permanent DEI bureaucracy or whatever (Wikipedia, CBC). Imo this is the most fucked up one of these points.
• Said MLK was awful and not a good person (Newsweek)
• Literally said gun deaths are worth it to keep the 2nd Amendment: "It's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment" (Media Matters, Newsweek)
• Spread COVID misinformation and called vaccine mandates medical apartheid (Wikipedia, WaPo)
• Claims white privilege is a myth and pushed Great Replacement conspiracy theories saying it's not a theory, it's reality (Wikipedia, CBC)
• Made racist comments about Black pilots wondering if they're even qualified (NewsOne, Newsweek)

I cannot speak on every point here (like the Civil Rights Act because I've never read it), but a few of these points are totally valid. The COVID vaccine mandate definitely caused medical apartheid. You literally could not go to certain places without being vaccinated. The vaccine has been proven to be much less effective than originally advertised. White privilege is a myth and the great replacement theory is not a theory. Again, use the internet to your advantage and educate yourself on any Western country today. Every single Western country is being invaded by men from 3rd world countries. "A man fleeing war takes his wife and children. A man going to war leaves them behind."

[Milo 1293]

6 minutes ago, Toretto said:

In the case of rape, you won't have to share custody with a rapist, like what?

It has happened. In defense of the judge, I think she didn't know and it was ultimately rescinded. However I imagine there are so many cases of sexual assault and domestic violence that go unreported. A pregnancy where a woman is forced to share custody with someone who may be dangerous and they otherwise want to stay away from would be extremely harmful for everyone involved.

[Todd Dinger 67]

8 minutes ago, Toretto said:

America just fought a 20-year war in Afghanistan against cave-dwelling terrorists and never eliminated all of them. What makes you think the civilians cannot overtake the government? Syria was controlled by Assad for 20+ years and used chemical weapons as well as tanks against his own people. They took over the country with AK-47s. Develop your own opinion ffs lmao.

That's a really good point. That's all I have to say about that.

[The Sovereign 209]

4 hours ago, Y A Y O said:

little too soon tbh
olympus never went soft, but I can't recall a time where we joked around someones death, let alone so recently
even olympus players that have passed away, even those with controversial personalities, no one ever joked about them.

The friction of distance you have from Charlie Kirk that allows you to post something like this, post something about someones death because you probably didn't like his political views, doesn't make you bad or immoral, it just proves you're human. You likely did not know him other than the youtube shorts or tiktok videos, but he was a father and husband.
It's pretty sad, especially when you look at the photos of his children and wife that are now left without him.

Anyways, yeah why is everyone so soft

Nah I've heard what he's said enough.  He said empathy is a weakness.  Why are you shilling for that.  You're not living up to his standards.  Cruelty is how you honor him.

3 hours ago, Milo said:

This is gonna be a real hot take here but honestly I thought he was a pretty terrible person. When he has said he would force his 10 year old daughter to have her rapists baby be delivered and makes comments that completely lack empathy on school shootings, I honestly can't say I am mourning him too much.

That said, the only thing he is guilty of is exercising his first amendment and he didn't deserve to die like that. Losing someone you love is always difficult beyond words but for it to be so sudden, unexpected and violent really is awful. His wife and kids do not deserve that.

Not really sure what the point here is. Maybe I guess that it is worth having empathy for acts of gun violence, even if he didn't.

I am also using my first amendment rights.

[Skeeter McGraw 54]

As a dad to kids roughly his kids age, I couldn’t imagine having to have my wife tell my kids that I  wasn’t coming home in addition for her to see all that. 

Im a hard core republican, but I'm my own person and I agree with some things and disagree with others. If this was a white man shooting a black man, it’ll be all over the news nationally and city’s would riot, we held candle lit vigils (even though they were mostly peaceful until retards drove through them praising that he was dead) instead of looting targets  too much divide and to stark of responses.

 

While it shows people maturity to openly mock someone brutally murdered in front of other people who are going to suffer mentally from it. I hope one day you all mocking it grows up and realizes that it doesn’t have a place here or anywhere in the world. 

[The Sovereign 209]

Just now, Skeeter McGraw said:

As a dad to kids roughly his kids age, I couldn’t imagine having to have my wife tell my kids that I  wasn’t coming home in addition for her to see all that. 

Im a hard core republican, but I'm my own person and I agree with some things and disagree with others. If this was a white man shooting a black man, it’ll be all over the news nationally and city’s would riot, we held candle lit vigils (even though they were mostly peaceful until retards drove through them praising that he was dead) instead of looting targets  too much divide and to stark of responses.

 

While it shows people maturity to openly mock someone brutally murdered in front of other people who are going to suffer mentally from it. I hope one day you all mocking it grows up and realizes that it doesn’t have a place here or anywhere in the world. 

We live in a fascist dictatorship now bud.  It's better to start getting used to seeing people die now, then later when it's people you care about IRL.  

[Skeeter McGraw 54]

5 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

We live in a fascist dictatorship now bud.  It's better to start getting used to seeing people die now, then later when it's people you care about IRL.  

Ah yes the pea brain dictator comment. The guy who one by a large majority both in his primaries and in the General election is a dictator but let’s just blow past the fact his opposition for the democrats coup the sitting president, never received a vote in the primary, and never answered a question on tv. TDS is a real thing I heard. Maybe you need to get tested?

[Eno 23]

12 minutes ago, Skeeter McGraw said:

As a dad to kids roughly his kids age, I couldn’t imagine having to have my wife tell my kids that I  wasn’t coming home in addition for her to see all that. 

Im a hard core republican, but I'm my own person and I agree with some things and disagree with others. If this was a white man shooting a black man, it’ll be all over the news nationally and city’s would riot, we held candle lit vigils (even though they were mostly peaceful until retards drove through them praising that he was dead) instead of looting targets  too much divide and to stark of responses.

 

While it shows people maturity to openly mock someone brutally murdered in front of other people who are going to suffer mentally from it. I hope one day you all mocking it grows up and realizes that it doesn’t have a place here or anywhere in the world. 

That's such a fallacy. Sure, compared to George Floyd there isn't much outrage, but compared to the elected democrats that got shot and killed two months ago there's a much wider media coverage. You should stop placing things in this false narrative.

Also, Americans somehow always drag race into any discussion

[The Sovereign 209]

Just now, Skeeter McGraw said:

Ah yes the pea brain dictator comment. The guy who one by a large majority both in his primaries and in the General election is a dictator but let’s just blow past the fact his opposition for the democrats coup the sitting president, never received a vote in the primary, and never answered a question on tv. TDS is a real thing I heard. Maybe you need to get tested?

I mean, in a capitalist society it's bound to happen eventually.  I'm far more upset about all the kids he raped, but let's be honest, olympus got enough diddlers that behavior is normalized here.