BLTN Podcast EP #7 - Respawn Timer, Combat Logging, Wipe & Update

[Warfare 498]

Another week another BLTN. This week we cover some R&R, some APD, and most definitely the update. Let us know what you enjoyed or maybe what you think could be improved. 

 

[Snake 771]

NO ONE TELLS SNAKE WHEN TO COME ON THE CAST. 

 

[Amish Mechanic 23]

highlight at 22:20 boys #QUAMISHANDSONS

[Mr. Jackson 32]

Ayyyy lmao

highlight at 22:20 boys #QUAMISHANDSONS

You could have done better with a vermin

[Hades 1423]

Just to touch base on a few things noted from the podcast just incase there were any questions...

 

Server 3 as of right now is planned to be brought back up at some point. The testing is taking longer then intended but the plan is still to bring up the 3rd server down the road.

 

The reason PO's can't pardon or cut bounties is because they are still in training. They are not considered a full APD member. They are given extra responsibilities already with the rank. As a Corp they have shown they know and understand the laws and rules and are trusted enough with being able to do this while lower ranks are still being watched over.

 

PDW's didn't have any changes from our end of things. It's just the point that more players are using it vs before-hand.

 

Tazer damage has been reduced by almost half. It should take a couple extra shots to down someone vs just hitting someone with 1 shot to down them. When players have armor it should take a bit more to take someone out. The Arma physics are done in a way that we can only adjust the damage amount they do but not based on range. Now Arma has there own calculations done when it comes to any shots being fired at different ranges but again we can't adjust that.

 

The combat logging rules have been adjusted and will go into effect on 3-1. I spoke with Poseidon about the matter and he has given me the go ahead since he has fixed the main issue as to why we had the rule in place.

 

Regarding medic revives, I agree there should be some way to confirm it to prevent long delays in play. Poseidon has noted there should be a change to this in the next small update.

 

APD using lethals are a last resort and that is why there is a rule regarding them. The APD should first try to apprehend the suspects and if unable to then load lethals as they are unable to detain them with stun rounds. If we allow lethals right away then the RP aspect would be diminished. Players would also get a free ride as they would simply die and not have fear of being captured. While they would lose gear it seems players fear sitting in jail more then they do the gear loss.

 

Each Heli will be effected differently from a titan due to tank size, armor rating, ect. Where a M900 might take only 2 hits a Taru may take 4-5.

 

While APD don't have titans they do have the ghosthawk. Now as stated there is a limited amount of Sgts but you have to keep in mind Cops also have access to the MH-9 which allows bench seats. With 4 APD member total being able to fire they can in fact take down another Heli if done properly. APD are suppose to be law enforcement. They shouldn't have large scale weapons like rebels do since rebel weapons are in fact illegal. APD need to rely more on tactics then weapons to bring in suspects.

 

Poseidon is looking into adjusting the escort system. No ETA as to when it may be changed but rest assure it is being looked into.

 

As of right now we will not be putting in a rule preventing players from sling loading another vehicle and shooting from that vehicle. The typical rules however will still be in place such as the required RP and so forth. Keep in mind however if a Heli is flying around with a .50 cal and that .50 cal shoots, a titan can be used on that Heli.

[Rich Homie Quan 228]

PDW OP BOYZ CONFIRMED #QUAMISHNSONS

[Raine 54]

IMO:the wipe and econ balance was good but i think that trunk upgrades are garbage and they need to atleast be up to 100 because its like having 10 things to sell and would bring in a little more money

[Theseus 171]

I love how 60 percent of the listed topics were Medic related, yet, only 5% of the time was spent talking about it, and there is no medic representation.  You all are discussing things such as, "we should be able to cancel a request" with out a medic (one who plays medic on a constant basis) to address those issues and how they impact medics.  You all have given untrue information in past BLTN's about Medics and our guidelines, and if you do not have a true Medic rep, then I don't see how you can talk about our issues as Medics intelligently.  

[Hades 1423]

IMO:the wipe and econ balance was good but i think that trunk upgrades are garbage and they need to atleast be up to 100 because its like having 10 things to sell and would bring in a little more money

 

Truck space is based off the vehicles base storage. A hatchback shouldn't have a base of 40 and be able to upgrade to a 140 slot. Now the more base space a vehicle has the better the upgrade will be however. The HEMMIT with 1000 slot storage can have an extra 200 added to it and that is reasonable since it is a transporting style vehicle.

[Warfare 498]

I love how 60 percent of the listed topics were Medic related, yet, only 5% of the time was spent talking about it, and there is no medic representation.  You all are discussing things such as, "we should be able to cancel a request" with out a medic (one who plays medic on a constant basis) to address those issues and how they impact medics.  You all have given untrue information in past BLTN's about Medics and our guidelines, and if you do not have a true Medic rep, then I don't see how you can talk about our issues as Medics intelligently.  

 

 

Just because topics are listed it doesn't mean we are going to discuss them. If this was a recorded show then yes we would stick to said topics but because it's a live show the viewers constantly suggest topics and we discuss them. In regards to us saying we should be able to cancel them, I only know of one person who said that and we shot it down because it doesn't make any sense to allow it. For topics like this I'll be honest and say we don't need a medic present because whatever you say regarding the topic won't change our opinions when it's something as simple as a respawn timer. Lastly please point me out to the untrue information we have said about medics and your guidelines because as most users say we usually never talk about medics on the cast. At the end of the day you choose to watch the show and no one is forcing you so how about you don't attack a show that is simply trying to promote the servers and giving players a place to talk. We do this every week for free because we enjoy doing it, not so we can have players attack our work. 

[Theseus 171]

Just because topics are listed it doesn't mean we are going to discuss them. If this was a recorded show then yes we would stick to said topics but because it's a live show the viewers constantly suggest topics and we discuss them. In regards to us saying we should be able to cancel them, I only know of one person who said that and we shot it down because it doesn't make any sense to allow it. For topics like this I'll be honest and say we don't need a medic present because whatever you say regarding the topic won't change our opinions when it's something as simple as a respawn timer. Lastly please point me out to the untrue information we have said about medics and your guidelines because as most users say we usually never talk about medics on the cast. At the end of the day you choose to watch the show and no one is forcing you so how about you don't attack a show that is simply trying to promote the servers and giving players a place to talk. We do this every week for free because we enjoy doing it, not so we can have players attack our work. 

 

1.  You represent Olympus, not yourselves so it should be the opinion of the players, you all form opinions and discuss possible changes that could impact the game play of others, like medics.  If you are going to suggest changes it would make sense to have rep's from the part of the game you want changed.  i.e. if you have cancel options for revives, it would make our lives extremely difficult as we usually have a limited amount of medics and requests are now all over the map due to the changes.  So if someone cancels a request after I have traveled 15 KM's, it would make our job harder.  The reason you have the medic there is to educate all who watch the show, not just for the ones who are putting on the show.

 

2.  I am not attacking the show, I am attacking the execution of the show, I did watch the show on my own accord as I looked at your talking points, which was what made me interested in watching and, which you did not talk about.  So I watched based on the information you presented prior to execution.

 

3.  You request players like Ace and Aries, why not request players like John McClain?  

 

4.  I do not feel you present a professional product, its full of "fuck this" and "fuck that" (and yes I cuss just as much as everyone else, but there is a time and place).  If you are representing Olympus and the people of Olympus, then why not do it in a more professional manner?  In addition you undermine other players and "talk trash" about them for everyone to see, for example, saying Hades made a bad decision on a ban to the entire viewing audience.  Even if that was the case, the show is not the right format to talk about those things, and you are undermining the head Admin, which again is unprofessional.

 

5.  Yes this is "just a game", but that does not mean that you can not present a professional product and present it in a respectful way.  This is meant to be constructive criticism and I hope its received that way, however it probably will not be.  

 

6.  In a recent edition, you talked about medics "having" to help APD if asked, and that was not true, we don't "have" to help if we feel we don't want to, we just have to RP the situation.  That is one example, there are others, but you are missing the point.  Those mistakes would not be made if you either A. Consulted the Head R&R before hand to get exact details or B. had a Head Medic, or Coord on the show to clarify and elaborate on what the R&R view is on R&R issues.   

[Guest]

I love how 60 percent of the listed topics were Medic related, yet, only 5% of the time was spent talking about it, and there is no medic representation.  You all are discussing things such as, "we should be able to cancel a request" with out a medic (one who plays medic on a constant basis) to address those issues and how they impact medics.  You all have given untrue information in past BLTN's about Medics and our guidelines, and if you do not have a true Medic rep, then I don't see how you can talk about our issues as Medics intelligently.  

 

I'm offended.

 

 

1.  You represent Olympus, not yourselves so it should be the opinion of the players, you all form opinions and discuss possible changes that could impact the game play of others, like medics.  If you are going to suggest changes it would make sense to have rep's from the part of the game you want changed.  i.e. if you have cancel options for revives, it would make our lives extremely difficult as we usually have a limited amount of medics and requests are now all over the map due to the changes.  So if someone cancels a request after I have traveled 15 KM's, it would make our job harder.  The reason you have the medic there is to educate all who watch the show, not just for the ones who are putting on the show.

 

2.  I am not attacking the show, I am attacking the execution of the show, I did watch the show on my own accord as I looked at your talking points, which was what made me interested in watching and, which you did not talk about.  So I watched based on the information you presented prior to execution.

 

3.  You request players like Ace and Aries, why not request players like John McClain?  

 

4.  I do not feel you present a professional product, its full of "fuck this" and "fuck that".  If you are representing Olympus and the people of Olympus, then why not do it in a more professional manner?  In addition you undermine other players and "talk trash" about them for everyone to see, for example, saying Hades made a bad decision on a ban to the entire viewing audience.  Even if that was the case, the show is not the right format to talk about those things, and you are undermining the head Admin, which again is unprofessional.

 

5.  Yes this is "just a game", but that does not mean that you can not present a professional product and present it in a respectful way.  This is meant to be constructive criticism and I hope its received that way, however it probably will not be.  

 

6.  In a recent edition, you talked about medics "having" to help APD if asked, and that was not true, we don't "have" to help if we feel we don't want to, we just have to RP the situation.  That is one example, there are others, but you are missing the point.  Those mistakes would not be made if you either A. Consulted the Head R&R before hand to get exact details or B. had a Head Medic, or Coord on the show to clarify and elaborate on what the R&R view is on R&R issues.   

 

 

 

1. Your first mistake is lumping us all on the show in the same boat. I suggested a Windows Vista are you sure option when requesting, as an alternative to cancelling. I play medic. I know the potential for the pain of cancelling.

 

2. Show doesn't always go as planned, deal with it.

 

3. We have requested McClain before.

 

4. We all have our individual opinions. I like to come off as professional when I can help it. Warfare has his own way of presenting and reacting to information, so he may hold himself differently for instance. What he says reflects himself.

 

5. "It probably will not be" If you make presumptions about the show, it doesn't matter how we respond to this point.

 

6. If I remember right, Jendrak posted in chat that medics had to help cops which is where we got that from. Jendrak used to be a Coord.

 

 

 

Constructive feedback is good, but you also have inherent problems with the way the show is run. That's fine. But perhaps consider making your own show if you'd like to see one run differently.

 

Thank you for the feedback that was constructive.

[Theseus 171]

I'm offended.

 

 Then I apologize to you, however my stance does not change, it was not an attack on you specifically, as your are a member of R&R, however your primary focus is APD, hence the "Senior APD" tag, and those of us that are "Senior R&R" do not feel that we are being represented in the same manner APD is on this show.  I would hope you would understand that as you are a member of the R&R community.  

[Warfare 498]

1.  You represent Olympus, not yourselves so it should be the opinion of the players, you all form opinions and discuss possible changes that could impact the game play of others, like medics.  If you are going to suggest changes it would make sense to have rep's from the part of the game you want changed.  i.e. if you have cancel options for revives, it would make our lives extremely difficult as we usually have a limited amount of medics and requests are now all over the map due to the changes.  So if someone cancels a request after I have traveled 15 KM's, it would make our job harder.  The reason you have the medic there is to educate all who watch the show, not just for the ones who are putting on the show.

 

2.  I am not attacking the show, I am attacking the execution of the show, I did watch the show on my own accord as I looked at your talking points, which was what made me interested in watching and, which you did not talk about.  So I watched based on the information you presented prior to execution.

 

3.  You request players like Ace and Aries, why not request players like John McClain?  

 

4.  I do not feel you present a professional product, its full of "fuck this" and "fuck that".  If you are representing Olympus and the people of Olympus, then why not do it in a more professional manner?  In addition you undermine other players and "talk trash" about them for everyone to see, for example, saying Hades made a bad decision on a ban to the entire viewing audience.  Even if that was the case, the show is not the right format to talk about those things, and you are undermining the head Admin, which again is unprofessional.

 

5.  Yes this is "just a game", but that does not mean that you can not present a professional product and present it in a respectful way.  This is meant to be constructive criticism and I hope its received that way, however it probably will not be.  

 

6.  In a recent edition, you talked about medics "having" to help APD if asked, and that was not true, we don't "have" to help if we feel we don't want to, we just have to RP the situation.  That is one example, there are others, but you are missing the point.  Those mistakes would not be made if you either A. Consulted the Head R&R before hand to get exact details or B. had a Head Medic, or Coord on the show to clarify and elaborate on what the R&R view is on R&R issues.   

 

 

The show doesn't represent Olympus it represents the users on the show. That's the whole reason it's not named after Olympus nor is it on Poseidon's olympus account. Like I already said it's a live show and things change, I can only provide topics prior to the show and if things change that's how it goes. 

 

In regards to why John isn't on the show it's because things don't always work as planned and he might not be able to come on when we do the show. Trust me he's been asked and things have always been in the works. You seem to also not understand that majority of the people that watch the show prefer APD/Civ topics over R&R and that's not something we can change. I can't force viewers to listen to a topic they don't want to listen to and because of that we would obviously talk about the things most of the viewers want to listen to. 

 

In regards to us talking trash about players it is far from that. Users on the show are allowed to have an opinion and if they believe a ban wasn't needed then they have every right to say so and discuss why they believe that. Not to mention Poseidon even came into the chat and discussed why he felt Virus shouldn't have been banned and we relayed that to the viewers. Lastly I don't know who said medics have to help anyone so I can't comment on that. 

[Theseus 171]

I'm offended.

 

 

 

 

 

1. Your first mistake is lumping us all on the show in the same boat. I suggested a Windows Vista are you sure option when requesting, as an alternative to cancelling. I play medic. I know the potential for the pain of cancelling.

 

2. Show doesn't always go as planned, deal with it.

 

3. We have requested McClain before.

 

4. We all have our individual opinions. I like to come off as professional when I can help it. Warfare has his own way of presenting and reacting to information, so he may hold himself differently for instance. What he says reflects himself.

 

5. "It probably will not be" If you make presumptions about the show, it doesn't matter how we respond to this point.

 

6. If I remember right, Jendrak posted in chat that medics had to help cops which is where we got that from. Jendrak used to be a Coord.

 

 

 

Constructive feedback is good, but you also have inherent problems with the way the show is run. That's fine. But perhaps consider making your own show if you'd like to see one run differently.

 

Thank you for the feedback that was constructive.

 

the fact that you told me to "deal with it" tells me it was not received that way, hence not taken that way.  My response was to to Warfare, so I was not lumping you all in the same boat.  And yes Jendrak "Used" to be, but is not one any longer, and the R&R handbook answered that question, all that had to be done was reference the handbook.  

I fully understand that I upset you all with my post, I knew that going in, but my intent was to post my view.  I know no one cares about R&R as it is not a glamorous job, and its never really talked about, but since it was hi-lighted so much in this particular episode, that is why I expected it to be talked about.  I am sure that no matter how I present my thoughts on the matter, I have probably done more damage than good, but I am not one to stand by quietly and not express my thoughts.  I will again apologize to the "Olympus" community team, but as I stated before, my stance is still the same.  I really don't see how you all can say the show is not affiliated with Olympus, that logic makes no sense at all to me.

[Odin 1073]

I'm going to chime in on one subject and that is the subject concerning me.

I have been invited once, 15 minutes prior to the show starting, so with no time to really prep (I don't go into things unprepared). The only other time was when I offered after the topics on hand revolved around my group.

[Muthinator 3064]

I know no one cares about R&R

 

I care about R&R .

 

Anyone on R&R that plays regularly and truly has a passion for the organization knows where Sarge is coming from.  R&R seems to sit in APD's shadow most of the time.  I don't want to take what I have for granted; however, APD seems to get all the cool toys, gear, and accessories.  R&R just wants a little piece of the pie and rightfully so.

 

The recent adjustment in the re-spawn timer is a huge win for R&R.  Those who play regularly know how valuable this change truly is.  It alleviates a lot of the stress associated with game-play because you know the person will still be waiting whether they want to or not.  Hearing people complain about it is somewhat frustrating because it is a valuable change for R&R.  The latest patch has given R&R a lot of great tools so I really cant complain.

 

We are just saying it would be nice to have someone at the Podcast to represent R&R if topics about R&R are discussed.  But at the end of the day it is your Podcast and you are free to do whatever you want to with it.  Hopefully this does not create animosity between anyone.  We are trying to make R&R a better, more prominent organization.  I would hope anyone can understand that we are going to represent and defend it as best we can because most R&R members that play regularly have a passion for what they are doing.  Anyways thats all I got.

 

Thanks for reading .   

[Warfare 498]

I care about R&R .

 

Anyone on R&R that plays regularly and truly has a passion for the organization knows where Sarge is coming from.  R&R seems to sit in APD's shadow most of the time.  I don't want to take what I have for granted; however, APD seems to get all the cool toys, gear, and accessories.  R&R just wants a little piece of the pie and rightfully so.

 

The recent adjustment in the re-spawn timer is a huge win for R&R.  Those who play regularly know how valuable this change truly is.  It alleviates a lot of the stress associated with game-play because you know the person will still be waiting whether they want to or not.  Hearing people complain about it is somewhat frustrating because it is a valuable change for R&R.  The latest patch has given R&R a lot of great tools so I really cant complain.

 

We are just saying it would be nice to have someone at the Podcast to represent R&R if topics about R&R are discussed.  But at the end of the day it is your Podcast and you are free to do whatever you want to with it.  Hopefully this does not create animosity between anyone.  We are trying to make R&R a better, more prominent organization.  I would hope anyone can understand that we are going to represent and defend it as best we can because most R&R members that play regularly have a passion for what they are doing.  Anyways thats all I got.

 

Thanks for reading .   

 

 

I have no problem having members from R&R on but the issue with it is most of the time are topics aren't R&R based either because we don't have any or because when we do bring them up majority don't want to discuss it. The main reason respawn timer was even a subject was do to the issue where a player would hit enter or spacebar by accident causing them to wait 8 mins before they could respawn, even if there was no R&R online. The point of it wasn't to say it needs to be lowered or removed nor that it's not a great feature for you guys to have because I agree with it. 

 

At the end of the day we can't please everyone but we do our best to try to. That's the reason why I had so many R&R topics ready do to the fact you guys deserve to be involved just as much as the APD. I would be more then willing to have more medics on we just need you guys to step forward and let us know you are interested. 

[Muthinator 3064]

Im sure John is going to read this at some point so he can either attend a future podcast or appoint another member of R&R to fill in if we are invited in the near future.  Thanks for trying to include R&R topics into your Podcast.

 

Also, correct me if I am wrong but I think Poseidon is working on, or has already implemented, a fix for the problem you mentioned.