ARMA REFORGER LIFE MOD

[Basiic 112]

Aye boys, been off of olympus for a while now. Idk how much money i would need to donate but i would liquidate my 401k for the olympus boys to start devolping a life mod for Arma reforger. There is only one life mod currently in the game and they have no clue what they are doing. I would sell my moms cancer research money for a olympus life mod on the new arma @ Ryan  i miss you baby, ill even track down @ drama and get him on board

[MAV 1886]

there have been a few posts about this and some significant upsides to it, but given it allows NO monetization at all.. never gonna happen.

[Eno 9]

2 hours ago, MAV said:

there have been a few posts about this and some significant upsides to it, but given it allows NO monetization at all.. never gonna happen.

I don't know anything about Reforger, but that's not what it says here: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization

[MAV 1886]

4 hours ago, Eno said:

I don't know anything about Reforger, but that's not what it says here: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization

looks like they may have changed their policies on that.. interesting

[OG Abraham 106]

@ Ryan think about the money it would bring in. I know how money gets your jimmys tingling.

[Saul Goodman 99]

2 hours ago, MAV said:

looks like they may have changed their policies on that.. interesting

They did within the past month or two, the most active life server on there currently has a system similar to olympus+ with vehicle skins but has nowhere near the same amount of skins/content.

[MAV 1886]

id still say given arma 4 scheduled release in the next 2 years or so, by the time a full featured life server were to come up it probably wouldn't make sense to dev a reforger server to then dump significant effort into another transition. (though i dont really have any say or even insight anymore into these matters, logically thats the answer that makes the most sense!)

[LULA 2022 - PT 13 532]

When you log into the server you'll see a popup saying "created by Dashtonic" because he was the dev who laid down the groundwork for the current mission file.

Right off the bat reforger no longer uses SQF, it uses Enforce which is C# with some quirks so most of the scripts will need to be re-made and the current development team would have to expand to include people with experience in C# and give them some time to adapt to a new language.

Same goes for all the backend stuff handled by the webdev team like LifeControl, stats page integration, APIs, etc. Even if the groundwork exists, converting it to a new game isn't exactly simple.

This lack of manpower applies to all aspects of modding : every part of the development team would need to undergo a conversion into reforger's tools or the teams would once again need to expand, and that search more or less requires leaving the current player base to find people more familiar with reforger's mechanics.

Ultimately it would be harmful in the sense that you would need to double the workload for all staff departments which would in all likelihood crush morale or fail if there aren't enough people onboard with working double for zero rewards. The other option would be creating a parallel structure of development and administrative staff that isn't exactly simple and once again creates issues in the sense of resource allocation.

We've already seen this with the Olympus Tanoa Life and Malden Life servers when Arma 3 was in a much healthier state, they both flopped and that was in a context where everything outside a few textures could be shared between servers, which isn't an option in this case.

[Ryan 7284]

As much as we would love/want to do this (and we have looked into doing it already), for us to shift a reforger focus we would need to take a step back in the Arma 3 scene, which would not be sustainable at the current state of Arma for us to do. Its not that we are not capable or willing, despite it being a new language we have people that actually know how to work within C#, its that the sacrifice/manpower we'd have to give up to go full steam ahead may not be healthy for the A3 server at the moment. Unless we have more people step up to the plate to take on that challenge, a reforger server is not right around the corner. If we had anything in the works it would be a slow and steady project, and not one we would push a release on.

[Basiic 112]

1 hour ago, Ryan said:

As much as we would love/want to do this (and we have looked into doing it already), for us to shift a reforger focus we would need to take a step back in the Arma 3 scene, which would not be sustainable at the current state of Arma for us to do. Its not that we are not capable or willing, despite it being a new language we have people that actually know how to work within C#, its that the sacrifice/manpower we'd have to give up to go full steam ahead may not be healthy for the A3 server at the moment. Unless we have more people step up to the plate to take on that challenge, a reforger server is not right around the corner. If we had anything in the works it would be a slow and steady project, and not one we would push a release on.

ryan brother, you have to adapt. Arma 3 was made in 2013 big bro, shits gonna die off eventually. Arma reforger would bring in a whole new wave of mulah for your jewish pockets and i would personally give you all my money for this to happen. Arma 3 is in the past we gotta grow up and leave it

[Pseudonym 140]

2 hours ago, Basiic said:

ryan brother, you have to adapt. Arma 3 was made in 2013 big bro, shits gonna die off eventually. Arma reforger would bring in a whole new wave of mulah for your jewish pockets and i would personally give you all my money for this to happen. Arma 3 is in the past we gotta grow up and leave it

theres tons of people who wouldn't be interested in playing reforger olympus, and only want to play arma 3 olympus, if you take a step back you lose those current people for the chance of gaining new people, so like either way you lose a3 players, so why would you do that? if you have enough devs, then you can start working on a3 and reforger at the same time

[Moonini 212]

17 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

theres tons of people who wouldn't be interested in playing reforger olympus, and only want to play arma 3 olympus, if you take a step back you lose those current people for the chance of gaining new people, so like either way you lose a3 players, so why would you do that? if you have enough devs, then you can start working on a3 and reforger at the same time

Piggy backing - from a straight statistical point of view, Reforger has 10,737 current players and a 24hr high of 12,574. Arma 3 has 8,745 and 12,785 24 hr high. Reforger has tapered off a FUCK ton in the last 3 months from its max. It could end up dead relatively soon in terms of playerbase and hosting a server/ts/website on that wont be able to support itself.  They should just hope for Arma 4 

[austroooo 23]

6 hours ago, Ryan said:

As much as we would love/want to do this (and we have looked into doing it already), for us to shift a reforger focus we would need to take a step back in the Arma 3 scene, which would not be sustainable at the current state of Arma for us to do. Its not that we are not capable or willing, despite it being a new language we have people that actually know how to work within C#, its that the sacrifice/manpower we'd have to give up to go full steam ahead may not be healthy for the A3 server at the moment. Unless we have more people step up to the plate to take on that challenge, a reforger server is not right around the corner. If we had anything in the works it would be a slow and steady project, and not one we would push a release on.

[Basiic 112]

2 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

theres tons of people who wouldn't be interested in playing reforger olympus, and only want to play arma 3 olympus, if you take a step back you lose those current people for the chance of gaining new people, so like either way you lose a3 players, so why would you do that? if you have enough devs, then you can start working on a3 and reforger at the same time

Arma 3 in the BIG 25 is actually insane to me. grow up its past its prime. Its like trying to get MJ to hoop again against Anthony Edwards. 

Edited Thursday at 03:25 AM by Basiic

[Pseudonym 140]

2 hours ago, Basiic said:

Arma 3 in the BIG 25 is actually insane to me. grow up its past its prime. Its like trying to get MJ to hoop again against Anthony Edwards. 

yeah but then why are there 8000 people playing it and 10000 playing reforger? like it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what players think. and there is a solid 8000 still in arma 3

[Eno 9]

Realistically, who's going to give a fuck about reforger as soon as arma 4 releases? Makes sense to wait for that

[Saul Goodman 99]

10 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

yeah but then why are there 8000 people playing it and 10000 playing reforger? like it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what players think. and there is a solid 8000 still in arma 3

Not an accurate comparison because reforger is crossplay and majority of the players are console based. 

[Toretto 781]

That's a solid point regarding the player count on Arma 3 and Reforger. I think Reforger is a stepping stone to Arma 4, but it's not going to stick around once Arma 4 drops.

It would be awesome to get experience with Enforce by making a Reforger server, but considering the lack of pop on Reforger I'm less inclined. The expectations for a Life mode on Reforger would be much less than Arma 3, which is a bonus.

It would be nice to re-write all of the stats page in a newer framework with a fresh theme 

[Basiic 112]

9 hours ago, Eno said:

Realistically, who's going to give a fuck about reforger as soon as arma 4 releases? Makes sense to wait for that

Arma 4 has been in "talks" for years now with no confirm date, no one knows when tf arma 4 is gonna release at all. 

[Basiic 112]

14 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

yeah but then why are there 8000 people playing it and 10000 playing reforger? like it doesn't matter what you think, it matters what players think. and there is a solid 8000 still in arma 3

also theres currently 13k only playing on STEAM, reforger is crossplay. over 50k console users. Google is free, the player count for reforger is triple the size bc of the addition of cross play, and console users are able to play heavily modded servers aswell on top of that

[Ryan 7284]

3 hours ago, Basiic said:

Arma 4 has been in "talks" for years now with no confirm date, no one knows when tf arma 4 is gonna release at all. 

https://arma4.com/

[Basiic 112]

3 hours ago, Basiic said:

also theres currently 13k only playing on STEAM, reforger is crossplay. over 50k console users. Google is free, the player count for reforger is triple the size bc of the addition of cross play, and console users are able to play heavily modded servers aswell on top of that

@ Ryan

[-dante- 5646]

The main goal is for us to tackle Arma 4 when it gets closer. We start to gradually get things ready for that potential move eventually and then cut back on Arma 3 as we are transitioning to 4. Cutting back on A3 now only hurts the ongoing server we have for reforger - which by the time it actually starts gaining momentum for us, we’d likely be moving to Arma 4. 
 

I think the idea is fine, I just think we’re too late in the game to go for reforger now. It made sense a couple years ago but at this point I don’t think it does. 

[Pseudonym 140]

ryan and -dante- messages are all we needed in the end. thread closed. don't respond anymore because it's all solved.

[Basiic 112]

5 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

ryan and -dante- messages are all we needed in the end. thread closed. don't respond anymore because it's all solved.