A frequently asked question

[-BATMAN- 17]

Hello gentlemen: I would like an answer to this question: Is there a penalty for sending a comp payment request, even though this request is wrong and intentional, such as fabricating that the person violated rules that he himself fabricated, and requesting money from the players?

[Sevro 133]

Dispute Abuse

Creating disputes for the purpose(s) of transferring money, communicating or spamming a player not related to getting compensation is considered dispute abuse and can result in administrative action. Players may report another for dispute abuse by clicking the report button in the dispute menu and it will pre-fill information into the report on the forums.

 

https://wiki.olympus-entertainment.com/wiki/Disputes

[-BATMAN- 17]

22 minutes ago, Sevro said:

Dispute Abuse

Creating disputes for the purpose(s) of transferring money, communicating or spamming a player not related to getting compensation is considered dispute abuse and can result in administrative action. Players may report another for dispute abuse by clicking the report button in the dispute menu and it will pre-fill information into the report on the forums.

 

https://wiki.olympus-entertainment.com/wiki/Disputes

I read this in the rules!! So there is no penalty if the reporter is clearly wrong by making up excuses or rules of his own and asking for money for it. For example I tell someone I want 700k because you broke the no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone and ran away from me, I say it's a rule and make players waste their time looking for it or sending me money for fear that it's true

Edited Tuesday at 09:15 PM by -BATMAN-

[Harve 2]

'the no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone' never heard of that rule? 

[Grandma Gary 10476]

2 hours ago, Harve said:

'the no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone' never heard of that rule? 

Yeah if you message @ Clashingtin he isn't allowed in a red zone for 5 minutes.  I'm sure it's in the rules somewhere.

[Deshoku 43]

4 minutes ago, Grandma Gary said:

Yeah if you message @ Clashingtin he isn't allowed in a red zone for 5 minutes.  I'm sure it's in the rules somewhere.

Actually with the recent updates we changed “red zone” to “casino”

[MAV 1683]

I mean kinda hard to police intent… rats will try to cheese the dispute system.. can’t ban someone for improperly interpreting or quoting the rules unless they in fact broke that rule..

aka, people are allowed to be wrong.. server has lots of grey areas.. dispute system does cut down on report

[Noble 1831]

20 hours ago, -BATMAN- said:

no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone and ran away from me

what the fuck does this mean man.

as for disputes, its only really abuse if it never happened at all and is just asking for a rev, money or random shit. If you THINK someone broke a rule, dispute them and talk about it so a staff member can make a ruling on it. You wont get banned for thinking someone broke a rule against you.

[Noble 1831]

@ -BATMAN-  please dont just upvote my question, what do you mean by  "no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone"

[-BATMAN- 17]

17 minutes ago, Noble said:

@ -BATMAN-  please dont just upvote my question, what do you mean by  "no clash rule for 5 minutes in the red zone"

For example, what I said is there a rule: I went as a policeman to the red zone and was killed there because there were a large number of people who killed me. I did not return to it. I waited for backup to come and returned to it after 15 minutes had passed. Is there a law that requires me to return to it before the 5 minutes are up?

[Noble 1831]

Im really trying to follow this here man but im lost. If you are a polieceman going into a red zone and die you can go back as long as it is not a reb outpost or a federal event, those have different rules.

Example:
Policeman goes into a processor, dies, he can go back when all the cops he came in with die. this is called wave rule. If he went in alone can go back once he respawns. If you check a redzone you mark it on the map with a timer and cant go back for 15.

I have genuinely no idea what you mean by before the 5 minutes are up 

[Kodakk 87]

8 minutes ago, Noble said:

Im really trying to follow this here man but im lost. If you are a polieceman going into a red zone and die you can go back as long as it is not a reb outpost or a federal event, those have different rules.

Example:
Policeman goes into a processor, dies, he can go back when all the cops he came in with die. this is called wave rule. If he went in alone can go back once he respawns. If you check a redzone you mark it on the map with a timer and cant go back for 15.

I have genuinely no idea what you mean by before the 5 minutes are up 

i believe he is wondering if he has to return while the 5 mins of engagement are going on

[-BATMAN- 17]

1 hour ago, Kodakk said:

i believe he is wondering if he has to return while the 5 mins of engagement are going on

I don't understand why you understood and he didn't? Hhhhh

[Kodakk 87]

Just now, -BATMAN- said:

I don't understand why you understood and he didn't? Hhhhh

but to answer your question no if you wave into a redzone and die you do not need to go back just make sure you mark the zone and wait 15 mins before you go back

[-BATMAN- 17]

10 minutes ago, Kodakk said:

but to answer your question no if you wave into a redzone and die you do not need to go back just make sure you mark the zone and wait 15 mins before you go back

This is what I want to convey in my post. One of the old and well-known players in the game has repeatedly deceived many and they fell into such a trap. He tried with me twice and did not succeed and gave me non-existent rules, and although I read the rules of the game more than I read the reading book in school, I did not find in it what is called you must return to fight before the end of five minutes in the red zone. But this scammer was able to trap many newcomers and those who are not deeply versed in the rules of the game in order to earn illegal money out of fear of him because he is old in the game and well-known, and so on. I wish there was a law that criminalizes those who invent rules and attribute them to the server and ask for money in them, or he will report them to the administration.

[MAV 1683]

39 minutes ago, Kodakk said:

but to answer your question no if you wave into a redzone and die you do not need to go back just make sure you mark the zone and wait 15 mins before you go back

this!

 

28 minutes ago, -BATMAN- said:

This is what I want to convey in my post. One of the old and well-known players in the game has repeatedly deceived many and they fell into such a trap. He tried with me twice and did not succeed and gave me non-existent rules, and although I read the rules of the game more than I read the reading book in school, I did not find in it what is called you must return to fight before the end of five minutes in the red zone. But this scammer was able to trap many newcomers and those who are not deeply versed in the rules of the game in order to earn illegal money out of fear of him because he is old in the game and well-known, and so on. I wish there was a law that criminalizes those who invent rules and attribute them to the server and ask for money in them, or he will report them to the administration.

unfortunately, rats will be rats, its best to understand the rules and if you believe you are in the right, close the dispute and go about your day... new comers should read the rules before playing on the server and with the wonderful wiki, its never been easier to check a rules out...

[-BATMAN- 17]

17 minutes ago, MAV said:

this!

 

unfortunately, rats will be rats, its best to understand the rules and if you believe you are in the right, close the dispute and go about your day... new comers should read the rules before playing on the server and with the wonderful wiki, its never been easier to check a rules out...

Yes my friend, but the truth is who did receive a message from such a rat and his mood in the game was not bad all the time and it took a lot of his time to read and make sure and ask even if he understood the rules.

[David Miller 665]

51 minutes ago, -BATMAN- said:

This is what I want to convey in my post. One of the old and well-known players in the game has repeatedly deceived many and they fell into such a trap. He tried with me twice and did not succeed and gave me non-existent rules, and although I read the rules of the game more than I read the reading book in school, I did not find in it what is called you must return to fight before the end of five minutes in the red zone. But this scammer was able to trap many newcomers and those who are not deeply versed in the rules of the game in order to earn illegal money out of fear of him because he is old in the game and well-known, and so on. I wish there was a law that criminalizes those who invent rules and attribute them to the server and ask for money in them, or he will report them to the administration.

The support team can help with situations where what is and isn't a rule is in question. They can't tell you if a specific situation breaks a rule, but they can assist any player in understanding what is and isn't allowed.

I also think you may have misunderstood the dispute, it looks to me like the claim is you took too long to wave in, so the engagement was over and the 15-minute no-return timer should have started, not that you were required to wave in. His argument is because you took longer than 5 minutes to start a new wave, the engagement was over and the situation should have been deemed clear, and a 15-minute timer should have started before the zone could be checked again. You guys deemed it the same situation and returned even tho the 5-minute engagement timer was over. Its kind of rule skirty to avoid waving back to a situation for an extended period of time but still deeming the situation extended to the point that you are allowed to return, but its really an APD issue not a server rule so its really @ Rexo s call if that kind of thing violates the APD handbook. 

I don't think the person who disputed you is making up rules, just different interpretations, without a report from the dispute we cant actually tell you who was right and who was wrong, but regardless I certainly don't think this was a dispute abuse. 

The related rules are server rule Chapter 1 rule 7 and APD handbook Chapter 10  rule 3

[-BATMAN- 17]

1 hour ago, David Miller said:

The support team can help with situations where what is and isn't a rule is in question. They can't tell you if a specific situation breaks a rule, but they can assist any player in understanding what is and isn't allowed.

I also think you may have misunderstood the dispute, it looks to me like the claim is you took too long to wave in, so the engagement was over and the 15-minute no-return timer should have started, not that you were required to wave in. His argument is because you took longer than 5 minutes to start a new wave, the engagement was over and the situation should have been deemed clear, and a 15-minute timer should have started before the zone could be checked again. You guys deemed it the same situation and returned even tho the 5-minute engagement timer was over. Its kind of rule skirty to avoid waving back to a situation for an extended period of time but still deeming the situation extended to the point that you are allowed to return, but its really an APD issue not a server rule so its really @ Rexo s call if that kind of thing violates the APD handbook. 

I don't think the person who disputed you is making up rules, just different interpretations, without a report from the dispute we cant actually tell you who was right and who was wrong, but regardless I certainly don't think this was a dispute abuse. 

The related rules are server rule Chapter 1 rule 7 and APD handbook Chapter 10  rule 3

Since you read the dispute, you must have read the main reason why he filed against me in the first place!!! He told me that I am not a PO and that I should not be in the red zone. Don't tell me that he thought the other person was with me because we were two together and then that story didn't work so he decided to make up the second story. Because by the 20th minute I was back in the red zone. Anyway, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the reply "Friends are friends after all"

[David Miller 665]

19 minutes ago, -BATMAN- said:

Since you read the dispute, you must have read the main reason why he filed against me in the first place!!! He told me that I am not a PO and that I should not be in the red zone. Don't tell me that he thought the other person was with me because we were two together and then that story didn't work so he decided to make up the second story. Because by the 20th minute I was back in the red zone. Anyway, thanks for the clarification, and thanks for the reply "Friends are friends after all"

I didn't really look into that part because it wasn't being discussed in this thread. I have no idea what he thought related to not being a PO. I also didn't know it was over 20 minutes between waves and just assumed for the sake of explanation it was something between 5 and 15 minutes. If you believe he knowingly provided false information in a dispute to get money or a ban you definitely should report him for dispute abuse.

Im more looking to explain the dispute didn't look like he was making up fake rules, but  It very well could have made up a fake situation. 

[-BATMAN- 17]

5 minutes ago, David Miller said:

I didn't really look into that part because it wasn't being discussed in this thread. I have no idea what he thought related to not being a PO. I also didn't know it was over 20 minutes between waves and just assumed for the sake of explanation it was something between 5 and 15 minutes. If you believe he knowingly provided false information in a dispute to get money or a ban you definitely should report him for dispute abuse.

Im more looking to explain the dispute didn't look like he was making up fake rules, but  It very well could have made up a fake situation. 

I understand you, thank you very much for the reply and continue what you are doing, it is a very nice server and be sure that I made this post because I love playing on this server very much and I hope everyone follows its rules.