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[Lucien 3316]

35 minutes ago, Big Boss Fredo said:

monster aint gonna drop montage #92 now

I bought a suit for the monster 100 premiere and everything 

[batGooseCan 688]

32 minutes ago, Lucien said:

even a broken clock is right twice a day

Not sure when they started making schizophrenic clocks

[Fwanxx 134]

38 minutes ago, Lucien said:

even a broken clock is right twice a day

[genesis 501]

2 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

1.  Pick a cartel when they are fighting caps.
2.  Acclimate the target to the idea that you will be hiding on their caps so they proceed to go into search mode.
3.  Verify group, locations on all data to ensure your position isn't being called out for third party.  (i.e. data only recorded if all members of party are dead or accounted for across the map to ensure data not skewed by third-party scouting)
4.  Take the cartel in question (church works best) and divide it up into 4 quadrants. 

Like so.   

5.  Use a third party RNG to remove human bias from the results.
6.  Wait on the generated quadrant of the cartel cap and hide.  
7.  Whichever quadrant your subject charges to begin searching for you, record it.
8.  When you are killed, give enough time for them to clear the cap and occupy their attention elsewhere.  When they are reset, get in a randomly generated quadrant on the cap and hide.
The purpose of this is that is strips away the farce of pretending to look for someone and exposes that they already knew where you were.
If they correctly guess the quadrant once, they've beat the odds as they had a 25% chance.  
Twice in a row?  6.2500%
Seven times in a row?  0.00610352%

Ten times in a row?  1 in 1,048,576, or 0.00009537% that mother fucker did that.  

Monster got to 7 when I tested him, which is 0.00610352% that dude wasn't cheating. 

It's not even complicated.  It's just simple probability that exposes bad people using esp do to pretend they aren't using esp.  It's why EVERY SINGLE PERSON I'VE EVER CALLED OUT FOR CHEATING (EXCEPT MONSTER) WAS BANNED FOR CHEATING AFTER I CALLED THEM OUT, despite staff ego'ing me and acting like I was butthurt for getting killed.  It doesn't matter how much I'm right, because in the end, the revelation has to be THEIR OWN DOING or they dismiss out of hand, because once again, ego.  

It's also interesting to note, that when fighting aegis on cartels, if there is any staff member with them, they pass 10 every time.  

This model assumes each quadrant has an equal 25% chance of being searched first, but that’s just not true on Church. Quads 1 and 2 are on the rebel side and get checked first most of the time because that’s where people drive in from. The caps also aren’t equal, some have better spots to hide and some have more common spots to fight from.

The trials are not independent either, since they will know which gang is capping. They will already know how many players they have and how that gang usually plays (like one person hiding vs. a group holding cap). 

Plus, quads 1, 2, and 4 have better hiding spots, while 3 is better for holding cap. So the searches are not random at all.

Definitely a bit oversimplified.

 

 

[20 sumthing hawks 6]

2 hours ago, Mc Pooperson said:

ngl sov, your just delusional. 

 

You have a tragic case of poop brains 

[Zeuse 1394]

Did anyone ever tell her @ ZeroBlade  got Mod? 

[dennoz 12]

The story repeats itself.
Back in the day, I used to play Asylum and constantly got wrecked by the so-called “best gang.” Later, everyone found out that the “best gang” had been cheating the whole time. The server eventually went down—and nobody plays it anymore.

Olympus does a good job banning people, but let’s be real: most of the gangs that fight cartels or lead invasions still have a few cheaters in their ranks. It’s not exactly a secret.

What makes it worse is seeing those same players talking trash in gang chat, acting like they’re the best, when we all know many of them rely on pull-downs or even full-blown cheats to win.
 

Oh and some of them even upload to the forums their cheating montage, and admins here appear to have blindfolds. It's sad.

[Oleg 68]

8 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

Weird thing to say about someone with a 100% flawless track record.

Who is cheating right now let me in on ur Information

3 hours ago, dennoz said:

The story repeats itself.
Back in the day, I used to play Asylum and constantly got wrecked by the so-called “best gang.” Later, everyone found out that the “best gang” had been cheating the whole time. The server eventually went down—and nobody plays it anymore.

Olympus does a good job banning people, but let’s be real: most of the gangs that fight cartels or lead invasions still have a few cheaters in their ranks. It’s not exactly a secret.

What makes it worse is seeing those same players talking trash in gang chat, acting like they’re the best, when we all know many of them rely on pull-downs or even full-blown cheats to win.
 

Oh and some of them even upload to the forums their cheating montage, and admins here appear to have blindfolds. It's sad.

Who has a cheating Montage up rn i need to watch (need to improve myself on not geting catched again(#nevercheated))

[The Sovereign 204]

6 hours ago, genesis said:

This model assumes each quadrant has an equal 25% chance of being searched first, but that’s just not true on Church. Quads 1 and 2 are on the rebel side and get checked first most of the time because that’s where people drive in from. The caps also aren’t equal, some have better spots to hide and some have more common spots to fight from.

The trials are not independent either, since they will know which gang is capping. They will already know how many players they have and how that gang usually plays (like one person hiding vs. a group holding cap). 

Plus, quads 1, 2, and 4 have better hiding spots, while 3 is better for holding cap. So the searches are not random at all.

Definitely a bit oversimplified.

 

 

True.  However the variable wash out over time if he quadrant is truly RNG. 

3 hours ago, Zeuse said:

Did anyone ever tell her @ ZeroBlade  got Mod? 

Wild.  ABSOLUTELY WILD.  The dude caught hacking multiple times gets mod.  This server is beyond fucked.   Statistically speaking, between him and a few others, the best way to get mod is to cheat. 

9 minutes ago, Oleg said:

Who is cheating right now let me in on ur Information

They're all permed for cheating.  I called them all out one at a time.  Could go through old discord messages and make a list, but staff know.   

9 minutes ago, Oleg said:

Who has a cheating Montage up rn i need to watch (need to improve myself on not geting catched again(#nevercheated))

I posted a link and David Miller deleted it.

[Cutie (QT) 134]

Im calling HR

[The Sovereign 204]

If you're friends with staff and keep getting caught cheating, they won't ban you, they just give you admin so you don't have to pay for your subs anymore.  

At this point it feels like the server wants to shut down.  You ever been in a relationship that you didn't want to be in but you didn't want to go through the drama of breaking up with someone, so you just make yourself so fucking undateable that they break up with YOU and spare everyone the heartbreak and drama?

That's what @ Ryan   has done with this server letting most of these people be in charge.  He's tired of owning it, and wants it to die, so he has to make sure the playerbase hates this server.

[The Sovereign 204]

And you can tell when staff know they're being really shitty to the playerbase because they disappear after.  No questions, no comments.  Just fuck you, this server is for my friends and they can cheat if they want.

I see @ Orbit  wants to chime in.  On two separate occasions he tested to a 4 before he stopped.  Then on two other occasions he legit had no clue where I was.  So at least some of time, there was a 4% chance he wasn't cheating.

[Orbit 528]

14 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

I see @ Orbit  wants to chime in.  On two separate occasions he tested to a 4 before he stopped.  Then on two other occasions he legit had no clue where I was.  So at least some of time, there was a 4% chance he wasn't cheating.

Sov what are you even talking about now..

[The Sovereign 204]

Just now, Orbit said:

Sov what are you even talking about now..

Words bud.  We can start out with some Dr. Seuss, and work our way up to Goosebumps and Animorphs.

[David Miller 840]

12 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

1.  Pick a cartel when they are fighting caps.
2.  Acclimate the target to the idea that you will be hiding on their caps so they proceed to go into search mode.
3.  Verify group, locations on all data to ensure your position isn't being called out for third party.  (i.e. data only recorded if all members of party are dead or accounted for across the map to ensure data not skewed by third-party scouting)
4.  Take the cartel in question (church works best) and divide it up into 4 quadrants. 

Like so.   

5.  Use a third party RNG to remove human bias from the results.
6.  Wait on the generated quadrant of the cartel cap and hide.  
7.  Whichever quadrant your subject charges to begin searching for you, record it.
8.  When you are killed, give enough time for them to clear the cap and occupy their attention elsewhere.  When they are reset, get in a randomly generated quadrant on the cap and hide.

This is pretty clever, I hadn't heard it before exactly like this, the quadrants idea is novel. I think addressing 1, 3 and 7 are the typical hangups I have.  It feels like I can watch someone for hours, trying to bait them into a fight so I can watch, or get them to contest a cap, and inevitably, I end up watching someone do drug runs or generally screw around for an hour and get no evidence either way.  For three it’s so rare I get to watch the person I want to watch play solo, its sometimes difficult to verify it wasn't a lucky callout, or that it wasn't another gang member with ESP calling out someone is in quadrant 4, and all of a sudden we are looking at the wrong person for cheating and unable to catch the actual cheater. And 7 I have been guilty of confirmation bias more times than I would like to admit, when I assume someone is cheating, a lot of things look like cheating that maybe shouldn't be. Regardless, I'd give it an attempt as a cheat detection. 

3 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

True.  However the variable wash out over time if he quadrant is truly RNG. 

Wild.  ABSOLUTELY WILD.  The dude caught hacking multiple times gets mod.  This server is beyond fucked.   Statistically speaking, between him and a few others, the best way to get mod is to cheat. 

They're all permed for cheating.  I called them all out one at a time.  Could go through old discord messages and make a list, but staff know.   

I posted a link and David Miller deleted it.

I'm not naive to the fact that people are going to find that video if they really want to, and it's going to be shared around, but it did have personal information, and for those people's sake, I would ask folks not to seek it out and not to spread it around. 

42 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

If you're friends with staff and keep getting caught cheating, they won't ban you, they just give you admin so you don't have to pay for your subs anymore.  

At this point it feels like the server wants to shut down.  You ever been in a relationship that you didn't want to be in but you didn't want to go through the drama of breaking up with someone, so you just make yourself so fucking undateable that they break up with YOU and spare everyone the heartbreak and drama?

That's what @ Ryan   has done with this server letting most of these people be in charge.  He's tired of owning it, and wants it to die, so he has to make sure the playerbase hates this server.

Maybe I don't know Fraali as well as I think I do, but I'm pretty confident that if I were cheating and he caught me, I would be gone. Certainly, if I caught any staff members actively cheating, I wouldn’t lose any sleep banning them. Maybe we aren't as good at catching cheaters as we think. I certainly don't know enough to say one way or the other, I know FAC catches a lot of stuff other anti-cheats don't seem to. I want to throw out there, I still think it's a little crazy that we, as the server, are expected to maintain an anti-cheat and investigate all of this stuff when the game itself has an anti-cheat. Why aren't they catching these people? Why do we have to cobble together an anti-cheat using the tools the developers of the game give us, but the developers of the game aren't really responsible for maintaining an anti-cheat when they are able to use the same tools we have and create more?

I'm not saying that we aren't responsible, or that we won't try, but I want to throw out there that it gets a little tiring being expected to be master cheater catchers ontop of everything else and with 100 Monday night quarterbacks who don't actually have to do, or answer for the work, when the reality is most of staff are a half step above rule referees or just people that learned how to code SQF. 

[The Sovereign 204]

6 minutes ago, David Miller said:

I'm not naive to the fact that people are going to find that video if they really want to, and it's going to be shared around, but it did have personal information, and for those people's sake, I would ask folks not to seek it out and not to spread it around. 

When I shared it I hadn't watched the whole thing and didn't realize there was doxxing in it, in my defense.  I understand why you deleted it and 100% agree.  Mb.

6 minutes ago, David Miller said:

Maybe I don't know Fraali as well as I think I do, but I'm pretty confident that if I were cheating and he caught me, I would be gone. Certainly, if I caught any staff members actively cheating, I wouldn’t lose any sleep banning them. Maybe we aren't as good at catching cheaters as we think. I certainly don't know enough to say one way or the other, I know FAC catches a lot of stuff other anti-cheats don't seem to. I want to throw out there, I still think it's a little crazy that we, as the server, are expected to maintain an anti-cheat and investigate all of this stuff when the game itself has an anti-cheat. Why aren't they catching these people? Why do we have to cobble together an anti-cheat using the tools the developers of the game give us, but the developers of the game aren't really responsible for maintaining an anti-cheat when they are able to use the same tools we have and create more?

I'm not saying that we aren't responsible, or that we won't try, but I want to throw out there that it gets a little tiring being expected to be master cheater catchers ontop of everything else and with 100 Monday night quarterbacks who don't actually have to do, or answer for the work, when the reality is most of staff are a half step above rule referees or just people that learned how to code SQF. 

Can you agree that Zeroblade, who was caught cheating, shouldn't have become a staff member?  At least with one of the cheaters that got made into staff he was a professional and there was an argument for his usefulness.

There are people who are still banned to this day for duping, when it was a developers error that allowed it, and had to have everything wiped for it.  There are people who can't even get ban appeals for duping.  

Yet this guy actively cheats, ruins the good time for hundreds of people, chases tons of people off the server by blatantly using aimbots, and is ultimately rewarded with a staff position.  That is insane. Whoever signed off on that needs their head examined. 

[David Miller 840]

30 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

When I shared it I hadn't watched the whole thing and didn't realize there was doxxing in it, in my defense.  I understand why you deleted it and 100% agree.  Mb.

Can you agree that Zeroblade, who was caught cheating, shouldn't have become a staff member?  At least with one of the cheaters that got made into staff he was a professional and there was an argument for his usefulness.

There are people who are still banned to this day for duping, when it was a developers error that allowed it, and had to have everything wiped for it.  There are people who can't even get ban appeals for duping.  

Yet this guy actively cheats, ruins the good time for hundreds of people, chases tons of people off the server by blatantly using aimbots, and is ultimately rewarded with a staff position.  That is insane. Whoever signed off on that needs their head examined. 

His was an interesting situation. The truth was that we jumped the gun on his ban and didn't have the evidence we usually require for scripting bans. It went through a review at the time, and the decision was made to revoke the ban due to insufficient evidence. It was a while ago for me, so I don't remember all the specifics from the initial ban. However, when we re-reviewed it for his staff application, it was pretty unanimous that we didn't have enough evidence to hold against him, and that there was no new indication of cheating.

For the little its worth we didnt go, Oh hes a cheater we need a good cheater on our side, the conversation was he had changed alot since 2022, was being a reasonable and productive member of support team helping the server, and the scripting ban wasnt substantiated enough, albeit by our own failures which is super fair to be critical of, to hold him back. We gave him staff for being what we were looking for at the time, but the cheating suspicions were very close to making it not happen. 

I think it's fair to say if he was cheating, he got very lucky that we screwed up the procedure. If he wasn't cheating, he has been accused of something without us knowing for sure because we screwed up the procedure. I'm not really keen on which one is true, but either way, it was a mistake we hope not to repeat, that just fortunately or unfortunately ended up where it did.  It's not a fair situation either way, but the unfairness is from the procedural screw up, and we try not to hold our failings against people as much as is reasonable. 

[Samob 129]

13 hours ago, monster said:

Be honest monster how many loans have you taken out to be able to pay for the week keys for the last how ever many years. 

[Milo 1341]

38 minutes ago, David Miller said:

Maybe I don't know Fraali as well as I think I do, but I'm pretty confident that if I were cheating and he caught me, I would be gone.

It was before my time, but pretty sure we had a web dev contributor who got caught spinning. He was removed immediately.

38 minutes ago, David Miller said:

I still think it's a little crazy that we, as the server, are expected to maintain an anti-cheat and investigate all of this stuff when the game itself has an anti-cheat.

Yeah. Arma and BattleEye do virtually nothing to prevent cheating- even the most blatant forms of it and the game has been out 10 years. To have a bearable public server, you have to know how to make your own AC or you're gonna get massively cooked. It's always boggled me how little Arma detects and how much it has fell on mission makers.

13 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

It really can just be boiled down to pattern recognition and data collection. 

Yes and no. We obviously have our ways of detecting more blatant forms of cheating, and that's what FAC is for. However there are things that even triple A games struggle to detect accurately that we realistically struggle with as well. It's not as easy as people would think.

It's just kind of a crappy catch 22. You can either over-ban and have innocent people who've never cheated and are good at the game caught as collateral or you can under-ban and potentially have a few slip through the cracks until they eventually get caught.

Both options suck but the ones we are realistically left with.

21 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Can you agree that Zeroblade, who was caught cheating, shouldn't have become a staff member? 

Yes.

I know you're not speaking to me, but would like to point out there were staff who shared your exact concern. In mine (and others) opinion- those who have been suspected of cheating should not be staff. For that reason I was highly against him getting staff when it came to discussion and is why I voted no.

To the counter points though, Zeroblade is a genuinely nice and pleasant dude to be around and he put in a lot of effort on Support Team. I've had good conversations with the dude since then and have expressed to him that although my opinions haven't changed on the principle of potential cheaters as staff; he is a good dude.

Also for what it's worth as someone who was probably the single handed largest -1 I would be extremely surprised if he's even cheated at all in the past 2-3 years. It was around 3 years ago he was someone we even ever suspected. Since then he has played and not raised any red flags to us large enough for us to reconsider that position since then. Which honestly is pretty exonerating.

[The Sovereign 204]

Just now, Milo said:

It was before my time, but pretty sure we had a web dev contributor who got caught spinning. He was removed immediately.

Yeah. Arma and BattleEye do virtually nothing to prevent cheating- even the most blatant forms of it and the game has been out 10 years. To have a bearable public server, you have to know how to make your own AC or you're gonna get massively cooked. It's always boggled me how little Arma detects and how much it has fell on mission makers.

Yes and no. We obviously have our ways of detecting more blatant forms of cheating, and that's what FAC is for. However there are things that even triple A games struggle to detect accurately that we realistically struggle with as well. It's not as easy as people would think.

It's just kind of a crappy catch 22. You can either over-ban and have innocent people who've never cheated and are good at the game caught as collateral or you can under-ban and potentially have a few slip through the cracks until they eventually get caught.

Both options suck but the ones we are realistically left with.

Yes.

I know you're not speaking to me, but would like to point out there were staff who shared your exact concern. In mine (and others) opinion- those who have been suspected of cheating should not be staff. For that reason I was highly against him getting staff when it came to discussion and is why I voted no.

To the counter points though, Zeroblade is a genuinely nice and pleasant dude to be around and he put in a lot of effort on Support Team. I've had good conversations with the dude since then and have expressed to him that although my opinions haven't changed on the principle of potential cheaters as staff; he is a good dude.

Also for what it's worth as someone who was probably the single handed largest -1 I would be extremely surprised if he's even cheated at all in the past 2-3 years. It was around 3 years ago he was someone we even ever suspected. Since then he has played and not raised any red flags to us large enough for us to reconsider that position since then. Which honestly is pretty exonerating.

That doesn't mean you ignore the obvious history with him.  Staff members aren't supposed to have 'no black marks.'  They're supposed to be exceptional.  If he wasn't friends with staff he never once would have even been considered after that.  He was legitimately cheating and did fuck all to deny it when he got banned.   He knew he was cheating.

Choosing to not hold that against him was revisionist history.  There are tons of players who should have been considered before him.  

4 minutes ago, David Miller said:

His was an interesting situation. The truth was that we jumped the gun on his ban and didn't have the evidence we usually require for scripting bans. It went through a review at the time, and the decision was made to revoke the ban due to insufficient evidence. It was a while ago for me, so I don't remember all the specifics from the initial ban. However, when we re-reviewed it for his staff application, it was pretty unanimous that we didn't have enough evidence to hold against him, and that there was no new indication of cheating.

For the little its worth we didnt go, Oh hes a cheater we need a good cheater on our side, the conversation was he had changed alot since 2022, was being a reasonable and productive member of support team helping the server, and the scripting ban wasnt substantiated enough, albeit by our own failures which is super fair to be critical of, to hold him back. We gave him staff for being what we were looking for at the time, but the cheating suspicions were very close to making it not happen. 

I think it's fair to say if he was cheating, he got very lucky that we screwed up the procedure. If he wasn't cheating, he has been accused of something without us knowing for sure because we screwed up the procedure. I'm not really keen on which one is true, but either way, it was a mistake we hope not to repeat, that just fortunately or unfortunately ended up where it did.  It's not a fair situation either way, but the unfairness is from the procedural screw up, and we try not to hold our failings against people as much as is reasonable. 

You'd think he would have been proclaiming his innocence instead of going quiet when the ban happened.  He knew damn well what he did.  Waited long enough for people to forget because he started questioning the voracity of the hackusations.  Dude cheated, and got on staff, simply because he's friends with staff.  If  he wasn't friends with staff, even if there was a question of his innocence, it would have been enough to prevent him from support team, yet alone mod panel. 

The willingness to bend over backwards for people because they are friends with staff is a fuck you to the entire server, and is why you get the types of attitudes from players that require so much forum moderation.  

Monster had an account on a hack buying website.  He had a forum history.  He was caught redhanded.  The only reason he wasn't scrutinized 24/7 was because staff kept playing that 'he has all these hours he wouldn't cheat' defense for him while he was actively cheating, and insulting every single person that lost a kit to it. 

I WANT THIS TO REALLY SINK IN.  ALL OF THAT, and eventually makes a video proving he hacks and doxxing staff members AND THEY ARE STILL GOING TO BAT FOR HIM SAYING "ohhh he wasn't cheating most of the time."  It's insane.  It's become so normalized staff members don't even question it anymore.

[Milo 1341]

8 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

That doesn't mean you ignore the obvious history with him.  Staff members aren't supposed to have 'no black marks.'  They're supposed to be exceptional

I don't disagree. Again that's why I was the largest no when it came to voting.

8 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

If he wasn't friends with staff he never once would have even been considered after that.

Not sure how I feel on this one. There were definitely people voting for him who were in the same gang. That said he also had a lot of support from other staff as well, and I believe those votes were a minority to staff with no conflict of interest.

As much as I had my gripes, he did have other attributes that made him a desirable candidate. I think chalking it to just that he was friends with staff is kinda reductive.

13 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Choosing to not hold that against him was revisionist history.

Honestly not sure what you mean by revisionist history. I voted no during the time he was discussed for the cheating concerns that you mentioned.

14 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

There are tons of players who should have been considered before him.  

Not sure how fair this is really either. Different months yield different candidates. That could've been said for me when I had my Mod app in a long while ago. There was someone else who was applying with me who I said it should be granted to first, and would prefer they get chosen over me during the process if it came down to one or the other. I think he would've made an absolutely great staff member but unfortunately I was the better candidate in the eyes of everyone else. Who is more deserving is a subjective opinion.

[The Sovereign 204]

Just now, Milo said:

I don't disagree. Again that's why I was the largest no when it came to voting.

Not sure how I feel on this one. There were definitely people voting for him who were in the same gang. That said he also had a lot of support from other staff as well, and I believe those votes were a minority to staff with no conflict of interest.

As much as I had my gripes, he did have other attributes that made him a desirable candidate. I think chalking it to just that he was friends with staff is kinda reductive.

Honestly not sure what you mean by revisionist history. I voted no during the time he was discussed for the cheating concerns that you mentioned.

Not sure how fair this is really either. Different months yield different candidates. That could've been said for me when I had my Mod app in a long while ago. There was someone else who was applying with me who I said it should be granted to first, and would prefer they get chosen over me during the process if it came down to one or the other. I think he would've made an absolutely great staff member but unfortunately I was the better candidate in the eyes of everyone else. Who is more deserving is a subjective opinion.

You have a sense of fairness and a moral compass.  You are the exact type of person the Aegis clique never wants on staff and you only got it because of dev skills.  The fact that you voted no is exactly why if you didn't have dev skills, you never would have been given mod in 100 years.  All of Aegis' staff are beyond fucking corrupt.  It's blatant.  There's so many scandals since that gang was founded that if someone made a list of every single scandal it would take an hour to read. 

Mako letting people be robbed on cop.  The spawned in gear house Aegis had keys to.  Nicole putting R&R skins on a ghosthawk.  There's been at least 4 dozen instances of them abusing their powers to win, or abusing their powers to help nonstaff in their gang.  There is 0 accountability.  The foxes rule the henhouse, and the only people with enough integrity to do anything about it aren't really absorbing how bad that clique has gotten.  Some of them need stripped of staff, and some of them need put in check.  

Just now, Milo said:

Honestly not sure what you mean by revisionist history. I voted no during the time he was discussed for the cheating concerns that you mentioned.

It's revisionist history because everybody knew he cheated at the time.  At way later on when he wants to start rank climbing, all of a sudden he's acting like he was innocent and people are buying into it.

Just now, Milo said:

I don't disagree. Again that's why I was the largest no when it came to voting.

Not sure how I feel on this one. There were definitely people voting for him who were in the same gang. That said he also had a lot of support from other staff as well, and I believe those votes were a minority to staff with no conflict of interest.

As much as I had my gripes, he did have other attributes that made him a desirable candidate. I think chalking it to just that he was friends with staff is kinda reductive.

Honestly not sure what you mean by revisionist history. I voted no during the time he was discussed for the cheating concerns that you mentioned.

Not sure how fair this is really either. Different months yield different candidates. That could've been said for me when I had my Mod app in a long while ago. There was someone else who was applying with me who I said it should be granted to first, and would prefer they get chosen over me during the process if it came down to one or the other. I think he would've made an absolutely great staff member but unfortunately I was the better candidate in the eyes of everyone else. Who is more deserving is a subjective opinion.

Cheating even once shows they lack the integrity the job requires.  Even once.

Even once.

[ZeroBlade 1035]

@ The Sovereign silly noob

[The Sovereign 204]

Just now, ZeroBlade said:

@ The Sovereign silly noob

Well played sir.  You did it.  Spent years cheating, when you got banned, cozied up to staff really hard and got staff yourself lmmfao.  Brilliantly played.  I can be mad a them for letting you get away with it, but you... that's just impressive.

[ZeroBlade 1035]

3 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Well played sir.  You did it.  Spent years cheating, when you got banned, cozied up to staff really hard and got staff yourself lmmfao.  Brilliantly played.  I can be mad a them for letting you get away with it, but you... that's just impressive.

Never cheated, just better then you. All good tho, says more about you then me when you are banned for years yet are insanely obsessed with Olympus.. get therapy..