RustedCorpse 13 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 From http://olympus-entertainment.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1518-11-2-2014-updates/ Specifically: Real World Extremist or Terrorist names are not allowed I can't believe I'm defending the name ISIS but I think this is a very slippery slope. How do you define Extremist? We have guilds named BlackWater, and after seeing the real life version of them I would quite willingly call them Terrorists. I'm not trying to be a angst ridden liberal here. The idea of Terrorist is being slung around all over. If a guild is named IRA, is that a terrorist group? All depends on who you ask. I'm a former Marine and hate, HATE the real organization ISIS for what they represent and their actions. However, I think that we're really screwing with free speech here if we pass arbitrary rules like this. It specifically targets one group of people while leaving plenty of room for free and easy interpretations in the future. It's really risky and I think someone should pause and think about the future potential for abuse. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/
Warfare 498 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 How about players don't purposely name there groups after groups like ISIS or al qaeda. Clearly all they're looking for is to be assholes and disrespect players. It's the whole reason that rule was implemented. Let's not act like someone made there group name something and it just so happens to be the same as a real world terrorist group. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-10992
ironnitehawk 16 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. - ammendment 1. Private owned groups can censor because admission is not manditory, no ones forceing you to be here. However if congress said u cant call yourself isis that would be a free speech violation. This is not. 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-10993
Ismael_D 12 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 3:32 PM, ironnitehawk said: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. - ammendment 1. Private owned groups can censor because admission is not manditory, no ones forceing you to be here. However if congress said u cant call yourself isis that would be a free speech violation. This is not. Yup, I think a lot of people don't quite understand that. I've actually heard people call the blacklisting of the name 'ISIS' a free-speech violation on Altis Life.. That's not really what the topic is about, though. It's not if it's right or wrong to block the name 'ISIS', but moreso a question of what the standards for blocking are. Hitler is bad, obviously - and so is ISIS, but there are other groups that some view as just as inflammatory, while others may not. Like BlackWater/the IRA, to quote the examples given. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-10997
Wheatkings 245 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 The decision was made by staff and its not going to be changed. Free Speech is great, until it creates problems. These forums and servers are not subject to free speech laws as they are privately owned and are not hindering you from discussing whatever you wish elsewhere. To use either the servers or the forums you use at the owners discretion and by their rules. If you do not agree with the rules as set out and defined by the owner/operator/staff then there are other places for you to play or participate in community forums. 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11001
Moose 316 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sadly rusted things in this world are less frequentlyl judged by logic, but rather "muh feelings" Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11014
PoLaRBe4r 67 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 2 of 3 servers are in Canada. Lawyer'd 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11018
Odin 1073 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 As a re-iteration on what Wheat said, everyone needs to keep in mind, just because you have freedom of speech (depending on where you live), doesn't mean you can walk into someone's house and start dropping f-bombs every 2 seconds. You will be kicked out and if you don't leave, you can be forced to leave because the owner that that house doesn't like what you're doing. Same thing here, yes you have freedom of speech BUT you are participating in a community run by a select few. This is THEIR house and it is THEIR choice on what you can or cannot say or do because THEY run the servers and administer THEIR community. You abide by their rules, not your own or what you perceive as your right. As for abuse, since it came up, the ultimate decision is that of our staff members, not the players. Its their rule, they'll administer it as they see fit. 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11020
xFusion 24 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 their server their rules even though i dont agree i wanna play here so i abide to them..... 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11023
pvtwanted 31 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'm gonna say my part too this . I don't live in the us I live in England - if I turned around and ram upto a police man and said I'm with Isis I would never see daylight again .... Freedom of speach is not world wide and you have to take into account of people who may have been directly affect by these grps . Next why don't you role play and make your own unique terrorist gro name that way you stick to rp ... And people won't get upset. 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11024
Mister Miracle 165 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 3:23 PM, RustedCorpse said: From http://olympus-entertainment.com/forum/index.php?/topic/1518-11-2-2014-updates/ Specifically: Real World Extremist or Terrorist names are not allowed I can't believe I'm defending the name ISIS but I think this is a very slippery slope. How do you define Extremist? We have guilds named BlackWater, and after seeing the real life version of them I would quite willingly call them Terrorists. I'm not trying to be a angst ridden liberal here. The idea of Terrorist is being slung around all over. If a guild is named IRA, is that a terrorist group? All depends on who you ask. I'm a former Marine and hate, HATE the real organization ISIS for what they represent and their actions. However, I think that we're really screwing with free speech here if we pass arbitrary rules like this. It specifically targets one group of people while leaving plenty of room for free and easy interpretations in the future. It's really risky and I think someone should pause and think about the future potential for abuse. "Freedom of speech" >Global server 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11036
Head Admin Grandma Gary 10529 Posted October 30, 2014 Head Admin Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 We all need to come together and have a good old fashioned circle je.... sing along. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11037
Papamunski 281 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 9:57 PM, Grandma Gary said: We all need to come together and have a good old fashioned circle je.... sing along. and all sing Cumbaya my lord whilst tapping on our scrotum stretched tambourines Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11040
Ricky Spanish 17 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 6:33 PM, John McClane said: just because you have freedom of speech (depending on where you live), doesn't mean you can walk into someone's house and start dropping f-bombs every 2 seconds. This. It's not about the constitution. It's about a server that is managed by people who don't want it in their game, and has nothing to do with "freedom of speech". Not everyone playing on Olympus is even from America, and some people might live in places where Isis or some other extremist group might have personally affected them, and they are trying to respect the people it might offend. Re-naming a gang takes about five seconds. It's not a game-changer. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11041
pvtwanted 31 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 9:57 PM, Grandma Gary said: We all need to come together and have a good old fashioned circle je.... sing along. load leathals while your all singing 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11048
Odin 1073 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 10:47 PM, pvtwanted said: load leathals while your all singing THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SING SILENT NIGHT! Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11049
Lost 36 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 if you dont like it leave olympus..... lol stop crying about real world laws on a video game... i was enlisted as 11x army ranger. and now i play video games and i think its disrespectful to every one who was ever over seas to use such a retarded gang name... Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11062
MileHighCaliber 3 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 I don't believe it is as much of the admins' decision, as much it is the simple way to solve conflicts because I'm sure more than a few people have been complaining about it and ill join with them, cmon guys you really want to bring up politics and terrorist groups into a video game? They kill people ruthlessly including our own people that we have to send overseas to stick up for the civilians over there being poorly treated. Yes this is a military sim but damn we're here to have fun, not bring up this kinda shit, I think it's just immature from my perspective. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11069
Andrew Applepicker 8 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 You confuse real-world laws with videogame server rules. The right to free speech blah blah blah is not relevant in a videogame. The admins dictate the rules, you choose to play by them or risk being banned. Simples really. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11083
Papamunski 281 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 maybe time to lock this and put it to bed 1 Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11088
Sqwallify 127 Posted October 31, 2014 Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 On 10/30/2014 at 9:57 PM, Grandma Gary said: We all need to come together and have a good old fashioned circle je.... sing along. MY GOD YES LETS "SING ALONG" Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11092
RustedCorpse 13 Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yea inspired less thought than I thought my fault forgot it was internets. Fair point that it is a private server though. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11124
RogueMK 648 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 I will be honest as a member of the " ISIS " gang, our name was not to represent the ISIS threat that is going on in a realistic way but basically just a name to get peoples attention, we didn't intentionally want to piss people off because of it but looks like it did! But at the end of the day there's a lot worse going on in the servers than just a gang name. We're already working on a new name as we will be abiding by the server rules. But you gotta admit we got ourselves known quick and probably not in the best of ways but that doesnt mean that we follow or agree with the real ISIS crisis going on, i have friends in the army that have been fighting them. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11174
Warfare 498 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 On 11/1/2014 at 6:09 AM, RogueMK said: I will be honest as a member of the " ISIS " gang, our name was not to represent the ISIS threat that is going on in a realistic way but basically just a name to get peoples attention, we didn't intentionally want to piss people off because of it but looks like it did! But at the end of the day there's a lot worse going on in the servers than just a gang name. We're already working on a new name as we will be abiding by the server rules. But you gotta admit we got ourselves known quick and probably not in the best of ways but that doesnt mean that we follow or agree with the real ISIS crisis going on, i have friends in the army that have been fighting them. So to show respect for your "friends" in the army you make a gang in a war simulator after a terrorist group..... Seems legit Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11176
RogueMK 648 Posted November 1, 2014 Report Share Posted November 1, 2014 Look im not starting a flame war here i just wanted to state that we dont follow the ISIS name nor do we agree with it, it was just used to get attention within a GAME. Considering its a game where you do drugs and kill cops etc makes me laugh that just a name makes people rage!! I get that thousands of people have died to these fucktards of ISIS but in no way are we advertising it nor follow it!! Im not fond of the name either but we are changing it now due to the server rules in place now. Link to comment https://olympus-entertainment.com/topic/1529-new-rules-update/#findComment-11177
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