Police miss use of ghost hawk

ThatNerdyGuy · May 20, 2020

38 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

7 hours ago, ThatNerdyGuy said:

taken down but that's all.

That's completely bias. I have seen you ban players on talking about DDOS. There was no proof that they did anything but they where perma banned. How is this any different?

Thats because it's a DDOS threat. Which is against the rules. You threaten to take away a player of Olympus or my internet, you can get your opportunity to play the game taken away.

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

8 minutes ago, Zeuse said:

If you're going to go through all of the trouble to make a huge dramatic post on the forums at least give a proper reply to one of my comments, don't say it's a "cool story". It doesn't help your arguments at all, especially if you are actually trying to make a change.

You basically said we don't understand the rules lol kid its written right there. That's an extremely poor argument. You are on here because you know where right. and you don't want to admit it. your part of the problem. I expect to see more ghost hawks abused because of this post. And I was right. Ether way. stop acting like you have a higher knowledge of server rules. That's argument from authority and its a poor argument. Ether you explain how you interpret the rule or how it should be written so players don't misinterpret the rule. I don't wanna hear you try and and belittle me. Obviously I'm not the only player who feels this way. So your not doing yourself any favors ether. So you explain how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks

3 minutes ago, ThatNerdyGuy said:

Thats because it's a DDOS threat. Which is against the rules. You threaten to take away a player of Olympus or my internet, you can get your opportunity to play the game taken away.

So verbal or written is good for that but not for APD breaking rules and lying 2 seconds after. gotcha

8 minutes ago, Zeuse said:

If you're going to go through all of the trouble to make a huge dramatic post on the forums at least give a proper reply to one of my comments, don't say it's a "cool story". It doesn't help your arguments at all, especially if you are actually trying to make a change.

I would also not say this is not really dramatic. It was showing how rules are not followed how they are written. And its done a lot from the APD.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Exner21

Hunter · May 20, 2020

14 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

I do. Its usually used for emphasizing a topic or importance. As for evidence, even if I show our videos it will always come down to, the APD bending rules to their liking. That's just how it is. There has been to many rules that are not followed as written. Example of this is when robbing. We have robbed cops, let them go within 1k of a garage, within 15mins. A new rule not written, of if u rob someone they need to be unrestrained immediately at the closest garage was implemented on us. A rule that is not written. I have seen vigis get banned for not saying "your going to jail" A very small mistake. Yet they get banned for it. A rule for police "Ghosthawk patrols may be used to respond to heavy gang activity." should have the same consequence. This rule needs to be rewritten as to what it means. Theres to much grey area.

Lets be real man. A ghost hawk used for 3 or even 5 gang members is over done. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Ya its great u have that ability. But police loose nothing. You are the bully's of the server. To abuse your ability on civies that loose a lot for what you do to them is a dick move. If police had lost the gear on death then so be it. But they don't. To make a server enjoyable you need to allow civilians to win sometimes. Even if its small victory's but that doesn't happen.

Chapter 8: Hostage / Player Robbing

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A player may be taken hostage for 15 minutes, after which they may choose to stay up to another 15 minutes or leave.
Do not kill players in restraints
1. You cannot restrain someone outside of a redzone and then bring them into a redzone just to kill them. This is also FailRP.
2. Exception: You may kill players that do not follow reasonable demands (For example, "be quiet or die" is acceptable, but playing "simon says" or asking for the alphabet backwards is not.)
After a hostage situation/robbery the player must be unrestrained and released in a safe manner and also either within 1 kilometer of a garage or 1 kilometer from their point of restraint.
1. Player must also be healed/not limping
If you rob a player you may not hold them for ransom and vice versa.
You may not take the same person hostage more then once every 30 minutes.
1. Exception: If that person initiates engagement first and commits a hostile action towards you after taking them hostage and before the 30 minutes is up, then you may take them hostage again. This does not include the APD.
APD members outnumbered 3 to 1 with guns clearly pointed at them need to surrender and abide by the hostage rules.
1. Exception: APD members playing the role of hostage negotiator may not be taken hostage before/during hostage negotiations.
Members of the APD may not be restrained or excessively tased at Federal Reserves, Blackwater, Jail, or Pharmaceutical/Bank events.

Not once does it state you must release someone right after robbing them you may keep them for the 15 mins

Chapter 9: Vigilante

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Vigilantes are no exception to the law. They must also follow the server rules regarding RDM, VDM etc.
Vigilantes are not required to announce before shooting in red/illegal zones.
1. The difference between a Vigilante and a Civilian is only that they can place a wanted player in jail.
2. You are still able to do illegal activities, if caught, you will be dealt appropriately by the APD. Consult the APD Handbook and the APD Ticket Guide for more information.
Players associated with “meta-gaming” while having a vigilante license may be subjective to receive administrative action.
1. If a player has been a victim of robbery or murder, that player may not return to seek revenge and send him/her to jail.
2. You may not follow a player around who is breaking the law and continue to collect the bounty on them over and over.
3. Example a player is placed in jail, you or a member of your group break them out only so you can place them back into jail over and over.
4. You may not group with a player and allow then to build a bounty just to collect on it in the end.
5. You may not exchange/receive any form of monetary compensation in relation to sending a player to jail.
Do NOT abuse the vigilante license.
1. Do NOT send players to jail with less than $75,000 bounty.
2. Do NOT take a wanted player, that is already restrained, away from another Vigilante and then send them to jail unless the Vigilante has asked you to.
3. Do NOT pull players out of vehicles if a player is not wanted.
4. Do NOT send people from your own gang to jail.
5. You may NOT rob a wanted player and then place them in jail for a bounty.
  1. This includes members of your party as well.
Vigilantes that repeatedly down another player without justifiable cause will be considered RDM and will be dealt with via administrative action.
Downing a player to keep them down cause you have no zip ties is RDM.
1. If you are robbing a player outside the vigilante role it must be RP'd as normal.
2. Downing a player with a bounty before announcing yourself is RDM (Side chat is not considered announcing).
3. Downing a player with a bounty that is running away from you after announcing yourself is NOT RDM.
Vigilantes can simply be put as “forces that have been rejected, denied or have yet to be accepted to the Police Force to serve justice in Altis Life”. However, they are not cops. Hence, they are only authorized to act upon subjects that have a $75,000 bounty or higher on their head. You do NOT enforce laws, that is an officers job.
1. Vigilantes may not have their weapons out in main cities just like any other Civilian. If a APD member asks a vigilante to holster their weapon, they must comply or potentially face a ticket from the APD.
2. Vigilantes should never attempt to arrest an APD Detainee. If APD ask for assistance that is fine but do not run into an area yelling "I'm a vigilante" and attempt to arrest someone the officer is dealing with.
3. If you are escorting a player with a bounty and an officer asks you to stop, you need to stop and explain what you are doing. Officers can NOT take the wanted player away and attempt to ticket or send the player to jail if you have captured the wanted player(s) in the appropriate manner.
  1. If you are wanted the APD may process you and if you refuse to pay your ticket the APD may then process all wanted players accordingly.
If you restrain a wanted player you are required to;
1. Let the player know what they are wanted for.
2. Let the player know their bounty amount.
3. Let the player know you will be sending them to jail.
4. Take the player to the jail transport located at all Vigilante outposts.

It states in the prossesing you must let them know what they are wanted for tell them there bounty amount and tell them you will be sent to jail it is brain dead easy

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Just now, Vigi Rat said:

Chapter 8: Hostage / Player Robbing

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A player may be taken hostage for 15 minutes, after which they may choose to stay up to another 15 minutes or leave.

Do not kill players in restraints
You cannot restrain someone outside of a redzone and then bring them into a redzone just to kill them. This is also FailRP.

Exception: You may kill players that do not follow reasonable demands (For example, "be quiet or die" is acceptable, but playing "simon says" or asking for the alphabet backwards is not.)

After a hostage situation/robbery the player must be unrestrained and released in a safe manner and also either within 1 kilometer of a garage or 1 kilometer from their point of restraint.
Player must also be healed/not limping

If you rob a player you may not hold them for ransom and vice versa.

You may not take the same person hostage more then once every 30 minutes.
Exception: If that person initiates engagement first and commits a hostile action towards you after taking them hostage and before the 30 minutes is up, then you may take them hostage again. This does not include the APD.

APD members outnumbered 3 to 1 with guns clearly pointed at them need to surrender and abide by the hostage rules.
Exception: APD members playing the role of hostage negotiator may not be taken hostage before/during hostage negotiations.

Members of the APD may not be restrained or excessively tased at Federal Reserves, Blackwater, Jail, or Pharmaceutical/Bank events.

Not once does it state you must release someone right after robbing them you may keep them for the 15 mins

Chapter 9: Vigilante

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Hide contents

Vigilantes are no exception to the law. They must also follow the server rules regarding RDM, VDM etc.

Vigilantes are not required to announce before shooting in red/illegal zones.
The difference between a Vigilante and a Civilian is only that they can place a wanted player in jail.

You are still able to do illegal activities, if caught, you will be dealt appropriately by the APD. Consult the APD Handbook and the APD Ticket Guide for more information.

Players associated with “meta-gaming” while having a vigilante license may be subjective to receive administrative action.
If a player has been a victim of robbery or murder, that player may not return to seek revenge and send him/her to jail.

You may not follow a player around who is breaking the law and continue to collect the bounty on them over and over.

Example a player is placed in jail, you or a member of your group break them out only so you can place them back into jail over and over.

You may not group with a player and allow then to build a bounty just to collect on it in the end.

You may not exchange/receive any form of monetary compensation in relation to sending a player to jail.

Do NOT abuse the vigilante license.
Do NOT send players to jail with less than $75,000 bounty.

Do NOT take a wanted player, that is already restrained, away from another Vigilante and then send them to jail unless the Vigilante has asked you to.

Do NOT pull players out of vehicles if a player is not wanted.

Do NOT send people from your own gang to jail.

You may NOT rob a wanted player and then place them in jail for a bounty.
This includes members of your party as well.

Vigilantes that repeatedly down another player without justifiable cause will be considered RDM and will be dealt with via administrative action.

Downing a player to keep them down cause you have no zip ties is RDM.
If you are robbing a player outside the vigilante role it must be RP'd as normal.

Downing a player with a bounty before announcing yourself is RDM (Side chat is not considered announcing).

Downing a player with a bounty that is running away from you after announcing yourself is NOT RDM.

Vigilantes can simply be put as “forces that have been rejected, denied or have yet to be accepted to the Police Force to serve justice in Altis Life”. However, they are not cops. Hence, they are only authorized to act upon subjects that have a $75,000 bounty or higher on their head. You do NOT enforce laws, that is an officers job.
Vigilantes may not have their weapons out in main cities just like any other Civilian. If a APD member asks a vigilante to holster their weapon, they must comply or potentially face a ticket from the APD.

Vigilantes should never attempt to arrest an APD Detainee. If APD ask for assistance that is fine but do not run into an area yelling "I'm a vigilante" and attempt to arrest someone the officer is dealing with.

If you are escorting a player with a bounty and an officer asks you to stop, you need to stop and explain what you are doing. Officers can NOT take the wanted player away and attempt to ticket or send the player to jail if you have captured the wanted player(s) in the appropriate manner.
If you are wanted the APD may process you and if you refuse to pay your ticket the APD may then process all wanted players accordingly.

If you restrain a wanted player you are required to;
Let the player know what they are wanted for.

Let the player know their bounty amount.

Let the player know you will be sending them to jail.

Take the player to the jail transport located at all Vigilante outposts.

It states in the prossesing you must let them know what they are wanted for tell them there bounty amount and tell them you will be sent to jail it is brain dead easy

Weird then why was my guy banned for it?

Hunter · May 20, 2020

3 minutes ago, ThatNerdyGuy said:

Thats because it's a DDOS threat. Which is against the rules. You threaten to take away a player of Olympus or my internet, you can get your opportunity to play the game taken away.

So we are allowed to discuses the topic of DDOS but then they get a ddos perm?

Just now, Exner21 said:

Weird then why was my guy banned for it?

who banned and proof?

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Theres a report submitted right now for robbing a cop an dnot releasing him at the first garage we passed. So we held him for 1min after robbing him. And the admin agreed we broke the rules

Zeuse · May 20, 2020

3 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

You basically said we don't understand the rules lol kid its written right there. That's an extremely poor argument. You are on here because you know where right. and you don't want to admit it. your part of the problem. I expect to see more ghost hawks abused because of this post. And I was right. Ether way. stop acting like you have a higher knowledge of server rules. That's argument from authority and its a poor argument. Ether you explain how you interpret the rule or how it should be written so players don't misinterpret the rule. I don't wanna hear you try and and belittle me. Obviously I'm not the only player who feels this way. So your not doing yourself any favors ether. So you explain how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks

I said you don't understand the rules because you and your gang do not understand the rules. Just because I'm here arguing against your arguments doesn't mean I know you're right lol. The rule is pretty simple, you've pasted it enough times so I'm not going to copy and paste it again. I'm not trying to belittle you at all, I'm saying you have poor knowledge of the Server and APD rules because it is true. Also is there any need to resort to calling anyone that opposes you "kid"?

Hunter · May 20, 2020

2 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

Weird then why was my guy banned for it?

you most likely did not release them in a safe manner and killed them without them threatening you or you failed to heal or you failed to release them under 1km from a garage or failed to release them 1km of there restraint point

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Just now, Zeuse said:

I said you don't understand the rules because you and your gang do not understand the rules. Just because I'm here arguing against your arguments doesn't mean I know you're right lol. The rule is pretty simple, you've pasted it enough times so I'm not going to copy and paste it again. I'm not trying to belittle you at all, I'm saying you have poor knowledge of the Server and APD rules because it is true. Also is there any need to resort to calling anyone that opposes you "kid"?

You never answered the question. Explain how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks?

Just now, Vigi Rat said:

you most likely did not release them in a safe manner and killed them without them threatening you or you failed to heal or you failed to release them under 1km from a garage or failed to release them 1km of there restraint point

yes we did. we healed him released him 600k from a garage. It was because we didn't release him right away after robbing him.

Hunter · May 20, 2020

1 minute ago, Exner21 said:

Theres a report submitted right now for robbing a cop an dnot releasing him at the first garage we passed. So we held him for 1min after robbing him. And the admin agreed we broke the rules

proof or it did not happen

Zeuse · May 20, 2020

8 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

I would also not say this is not really dramatic. It was showing how rules are not followed how they are written. And its done a lot from the APD.

And more accusations with no proof.

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Just now, Zeuse said:

And more accusations with no proof.

are you going to tell me how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks or not man. or are you having a hard time justifying killing 1player with it

Zeuse · May 20, 2020

Just now, Exner21 said:

are you going to tell me how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks or not man. or are you having a hard time justifying killing 1player with it

What do you mean "justifying killing 1player with it"?

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Just now, Zeuse said:

What do you mean "justifying killing 1player with it"?

Not even gunna go down that road right now. Please explain how you interpret this rule "Ghosthawk patrols may be used to respond to heavy gang activity."

Hunter · May 20, 2020

Just now, Exner21 said:

are you going to tell me how you interpret the rule of ghost hawks or not man. or are you having a hard time justifying killing 1player with it

The Ghosthawk

Ghosthawk patrols may be used to respond to heavy gang activity.
The weapons may only be used on aerial, or illegal vehicles (including APD Hunters and Striders)
Must be sent a text to land or park and given 10 seconds to comply.
If the Ghosthawk is fired upon it may return fire, and that specific ghosthawk remains guns hot until the situation is resolved.
1. This includes when the Ghosthawk is presented with a clear threat (Example: civilian with an explosive launcher that has engaged the Ghosthawk via text or an explosive launcher clearly pointing at the Ghosthawk in a red zone)
2. If multiple Ghosthawks have been shot down in the same situation, any Sergeant and above may decide to return to the situation guns hot provided they notify a member of the opposing force.
If an APD Ghosthawk is stolen, the APD may use Any Means Necessary to recover it.
The “guns hot” call must come from a Senior APD involved in the situation.
Ghosthawks mirror the “guns hot” activity of other hawks.
A Ghosthawk may be authorized "guns hot" within the federal event's anti-air circle after bomb blows at a federal event in cases where civilians are holding the area without the intent to leave.
1. Exception: Ghosthawks are authorized "guns hot" after bomb blows on illegal vehicles within the federal event's inner anti-air circle.
If a server restart occurs while the hawk is guns hot, it may return guns hot.
The Armed Huron is treated as a Ghosthawk.
1. If an officer fires any weapon out of the back "ramp" of the Armed Huron prior to being fired upon, that Armed Huron may not go "guns hot".

A Hawk may only initiate on a illegal vehicle or on a heli it may go guns hot if a person aims a RPG/titan at the hawk or exchanges fire with the hawk

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

1 minute ago, Vigi Rat said:

The Ghosthawk

Ghosthawk patrols may be used to respond to heavy gang activity.

The weapons may only be used on aerial, or illegal vehicles (including APD Hunters and Striders)

Must be sent a text to land or park and given 10 seconds to comply.

If the Ghosthawk is fired upon it may return fire, and that specific ghosthawk remains guns hot until the situation is resolved.
This includes when the Ghosthawk is presented with a clear threat (Example: civilian with an explosive launcher that has engaged the Ghosthawk via text or an explosive launcher clearly pointing at the Ghosthawk in a red zone)

If multiple Ghosthawks have been shot down in the same situation, any Sergeant and above may decide to return to the situation guns hot provided they notify a member of the opposing force.

If an APD Ghosthawk is stolen, the APD may use Any Means Necessary to recover it.

The “guns hot” call must come from a Senior APD involved in the situation.

Ghosthawks mirror the “guns hot” activity of other hawks.

A Ghosthawk may be authorized "guns hot" within the federal event's anti-air circle after bomb blows at a federal event in cases where civilians are holding the area without the intent to leave.
Exception: Ghosthawks are authorized "guns hot" after bomb blows on illegal vehicles within the federal event's inner anti-air circle.

If a server restart occurs while the hawk is guns hot, it may return guns hot.

The Armed Huron is treated as a Ghosthawk.
If an officer fires any weapon out of the back "ramp" of the Armed Huron prior to being fired upon, that Armed Huron may not go "guns hot".

A Hawk may only initiate on a illegal vehicle or on a heli it may go guns hot if a person aims a RPG/titan at the hawk or exchanges fire with the hawk

Okay but what does heavy gang activity mean? that's my point

Hunter · May 20, 2020

Responding to heavy gang activity im going to use RIP as a example here they stack 15 people+ the APD should be able to pull a hawk on a group of people that are doing large rebel actives this includes running drugs a HAWK is a orca with guns the APD can not use unless several criteria are met

Noahhh! · May 20, 2020

Wait, so is the issue that the ghosthawk is patrolling? Is that what we're still talking about?

Hunter · May 20, 2020

@ThatNerdyGuy please explain to him what heavy gang activity is

ThatNerdyGuy · May 20, 2020

13 minutes ago, Exner21 said:

So verbal or written is good for that but not for APD breaking rules and lying 2 seconds after. gotcha

Yeah, cause DDOS is a federal offense in the states. Little more serious than someone saying they broke a rule on cop. Not to mention, the proof is someone threatening me. Not a hard thing to understand.

11 minutes ago, Vigi Rat said:

So we are allowed to discuses the topic of DDOS but then they get a ddos perm?

You can talk about it but if you threaten to DDOS someone, then it's an issue. If you actually do it, then it's more of an issue.

Hunter · May 20, 2020

Just now, Noahhh! said:

Wait, so is the issue that the ghosthawk is patrolling? Is that what we're still talking about?

idfk no issue with a HAWK patrolling

Just now, ThatNerdyGuy said:

Yeah, cause DDOS is a federal offense in the states. Little more serious than someone saying they broke a rule on cop. Not to mention, the proof is someone threatening me. Not a hard thing to understand.

You can talk about it but if you threaten to DDOS someone, then it's an issue. If you actually do it, then it's more of an issue.

are you allowed to encourage people to go after archtype?

Don't ban me it's a meme

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

Just now, Vigi Rat said:

Responding to heavy gang activity im going to use RIP as a example here they stack 15 people+ the APD should be able to pull a hawk on a group of people that are doing large rebel actives this includes running drugs a HAWK is a orca with guns the APD can not use unless several criteria are met

I would absolutely agree! 3 guys with guns to me is not heavy gang activity. Yet a hawk will chase 1 guy in a little bird. More importantly police will say, theres a lot of different gang tags on the server. That's heavy gang activity. Let patrol with the ghost hawk.

ThatNerdyGuy · May 20, 2020

Just now, Vigi Rat said:

@ThatNerdyGuy please explain to him what heavy gang activity is

Multiple members of multiple gangs on the server, potentially causing issues with other civilians or gangs. Federal events, banks, pharmaceutical robberies or robbing. Most part is if someone is in a helicopter evading the APD then the hawk can be used. Not the official interpretation but my interpretation of high rebel activity.

Exner21 · May 20, 2020

1 minute ago, Noahhh! said:

Wait, so is the issue that the ghosthawk is patrolling? Is that what we're still talking about?

So the ghost hawk came after 3 guys. But we never engaged him in the first place. It wasn't even a response. He was patrolling just to patrol. And eventually used the excuse that we had a tempest out. He justified 3 gang members as heavy gang activity.

Hunter · May 20, 2020

Just now, Exner21 said:

I would absolutely agree! 3 guys with guns to me is not heavy gang activity. Yet a hawk will chase 1 guy in a little bird. More importantly police will say, theres a lot of different gang tags on the server. That's heavy gang activity. Let patrol with the ghost hawk.

RIP is a isolated case becuse the APD require using the tools at there disposal to beat there numbers but from what i have heard you guys match RIP in numbers yet lose to the APD even when they are not stacking armour or hawks so please STFU stop bitching you are dogshit at the game and your dogshit gang needs to go on A&D

Just now, Exner21 said:

So the ghost hawk came after 3 guys. But we never engaged him in the first place. It wasn't even a response. He was patrolling just to patrol. And eventually used the excuse that we had a tempest out. He justified 3 gang members as heavy gang activity.

3 gang members is heavy gang activity though not a lot of gangs have more then 3-4 people online at once

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