Banned for being with rule breaking player.

[Brennan 568]

Scenario in question:

 

3 players of a gang called [Potato] have 2 players from a gang called [Carrot] in restraints, more players from [Carrot] show up, so ONE player from [Potato] kills both of the restrained players from [Carrot]. This is RDM so a ban for that ONE player is expected, but all three players from [Potato] where also banned, even though only one member of that group even shot at the restrained players.

 

(This actually happened, but gang names where changed)

 

Are there any rules regarding this?

[Lethals Loaded 1224]

Their best bet is a ban appeal, this will just cause a massive controversy of opinions within this thread, leading to mad Hades.

You don't want to see mad Hades.

[Moose 316]

I would guess only the player who shot if that is intact the only issue in that scenario.

[Hades 1423]

If you take a player hostage and rob them in any way you must release them after the robbing, you may not kill them after robbing them. If you DO NOT rob the player then you may kill them while following the normal server RP rules.

1. ?This does not mean you can make a person surrender then just shoot them, you must make some reasonable demand that they do not follow or agree to.
2. ?This applies to group hostage situations as well. A member of your party may not rob a player then another member kill that hostage.

[theycallmepaw 172]

just remember when u take hostages or terror or anything group related then the group falls together if they are wrong. so i would suggest to make sure you rp everything out or dont do it at all. the ban hammer is real..........

[Moose 316]

But the thing is with group members is you can't control them

[Hades 1423]

You may not be able to control them but in certain situations such as hostage taking if doing it in a group then it falls on everyone involved. We do it this way to prevent abuse. In the past people would in fact take someone hostage, rob them, then have there friend kill the hostage to skirt the rules. Due to this we made the rule that it applies to the whole group. If your playing with friends and your friends don't know or understand the rule then it's best to explain it to them or not play with them. In the situation the OP is referring to the hostages fully complied with the hostage takers and were still killed. There game was ruined due to a group hostage situation. There was in fact a couple simple things they could have done to actually prevent issues but they didn't do that.

[Warfare 498]

Were the players simply restrained or did you actually rob them? If they were only restrained and it was RP'ed out you would be allowed to kill them. I'm guessing from Hades post tho that wasn't the case. 

[Brennan 568]

You may not be able to control them but in certain situations such as hostage taking if doing it in a group then it falls on everyone involved. We do it this way to prevent abuse. In the past people would in fact take someone hostage, rob them, then have there friend kill the hostage to skirt the rules. Due to this we made the rule that it applies to the whole group. If your playing with friends and your friends don't know or understand the rule then it's best to explain it to them or not play with them. In the situation the OP is referring to the hostages fully complied with the hostage takers and were still killed. There game was ruined due to a group hostage situation. There was in fact a couple simple things they could have done to actually prevent issues but they didn't do that.

The three hostage takers were clearly participating in the situation and in no way trying to "skirt the rules". If all of the players where actively trying to get around the rules of robbing and killing than a ban for all of them is right, but in this case, the RDMr thought he had a valid reason to kill them, when it simply wasn't a reason to kill them. A ban for that one person is expected, but I don't see it just to punish the other two hostage takers who were just playing with their friend and had no role in the death of the hostages.

[MidgetMuncher 38]

The three hostage takers were clearly participating in the situation and in no way trying to "skirt the rules". If all of the players where actively trying to get around the rules of robbing and killing than a ban for all of them is right, but in this case, the RDMr thought he had a valid reason to kill them, when it simply wasn't a reason to kill them. A ban for that one person is expected, but I don't see it just to punish the other two hostage takers who were just playing with their friend and had no role in the death of the hostages.

Agreed the other hostage takers could have just been watching.

[Hades 1423]

Once again we used to allow this and it became an issue and so the rule was changed to prevent the issue. As simple as this, if you rob someone then no one in your group involved in the situation can kill the hostage.If your buddy decides to kill the hostage then you should probably look to playing with someone else so you don't get in trouble. 

[Moose 316]

Well what about a situation where say someone lands a helis... 5 guys roll up and surround him, one of them shoots without saying anything the heli pilot returns fire and is killed by one of the other 4 instead of the original shooter. Did they all just rdm?

[Jorbis 327]

RP is engaged if someone fires upon you, giving you the go ahead to fire back with intentions of killing/downing. However you need to make sure you're only firing on the person who's shooting at you, not innocent bystanders.

[Corporal Moob 3316]

I know who this is about. HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

[Pringle Mccringleberry 114]

Just eat a potato you will be fine

[Hades 1423]

Well what about a situation where say someone lands a helis... 5 guys roll up and surround him, one of them shoots without saying anything the heli pilot returns fire and is killed by one of the other 4 instead of the original shooter. Did they all just rdm?

 

No one is a hostage at this point. However in a case such as this if a person fired on the Heli pilot without any warning and he returns fire he is allowed to do this. The person who began firing is also considered to be RDM'n. Anyone else to fire before the Heli pilot fires is also RDM'n since no message was sent. In a perfect world the other 4 players involved would know not to shoot since a message was not sent but as we all know it doesn't always work like this.

 

In the case that the OP stated the players were already, clearly taken hostage whereas in the situation you ask Moose no one is actually a hostage yet.

[Dustin87 864]

I know my friend Cake was involved in a similar situation and was issued a ban. Oh well. Ban appeal best bet.