Enforcer & Warden (Community Vote)

[Orbit 602]

I make this post knowing that Senior Staff and Civ Council are the people gripping onto this set of vehicles so hard, but it’s completely unbalanced and was overall a decent addition until over saturation. One of the Devs can spend some time pulling the stats, but I can assure you that more Wardens & Enforcers have been pulled than normal ifrits excluding Invasion. They’re faster, they sit lower to the ground so being shot in the feet is nearly impossible, the armor is extremely hard for the JAPD to even touch, and the gunner seat swap is over abused. 

 

TLDR: They need a fucking nerf, anyone on the APD would rather right a frit then a warden or enforcer and that’s fact. 

 

[Element_ 738]

Day 1000 waiting for the APD Enforcer that was supposed to replace the smoke quilin for federal events

[Lucien 3356]

They are OP, but they are very sexy looking, hard toss up between nerf and no nerf

[xsmitherz 2236]

Afaik many civ council also don't think its balanced. Imo the armor should just be an appearance package, not an additional buff.

[Skeeter McGraw 60]

25 minutes ago, xsmitherz said:

Afaik many civ council also don't think its balanced. Imo the armor should just be an appearance package, not an additional buff.

+1 for this.

 

 

Absolutely brain dead idea to add such a change that’s affects majority of the population. Totally knew it wasn’t gonna get abused…..NOT

[Duece 84]

+1 needs major adjustment or removal

[OLSN 418]

46 minutes ago, Element_ said:

Day 1000 waiting for the APD Enforcer that was supposed to replace the smoke quilin for federal events

think you have other things to wait for

[RichardDixe 93]

[Milo 1397]

Tbh APD concerns aside, I don't really enjoy fighting them on civ either. Pretty much a faster Ifrit that's more funky to rip due to it not having glass. I think best approach is making them rarer to obtain. People are always gonna pull them if they can just buy another.

[-dante- 5998]

5 minutes ago, Milo said:

best approach is making them rarer to obtain

[Millennium 6321]

2 hours ago, Lucien said:

They are OP, but they are very sexy looking, hard toss up between nerf and no nerf

@ GracieGirl  you seem to have competition. He's already calling them sexy; you may have lost.

[Element_ 738]

1 hour ago, OLSN said:

think you have other things to wait for

Free Demi it doesn’t matter that he had a perm bison key this entire time!!!

[Skeeter McGraw 60]

45 minutes ago, Milo said:

Tbh APD concerns aside, I don't really enjoy fighting them on civ either. Pretty much a faster Ifrit that's more funky to rip due to it not having glass. I think best approach is making them rarer to obtain. People are always gonna pull them if they can just buy another.

Lmk right before they get rare and I’ll dump a shit ton of money in them to flip. Kinda like all the uniqueness on the map amiright 

[Skys 1824]

shut yo bitch ass skeeter

[Tame 4]

They are a pain to deal with, and I do see them so much more nowadays. But I enjoy the challenge. 

[Spoods 180]

I haven't had much problems with them tbh.. on civ, with 7.62 they're easy to rip. Arguably easier to rip than a frit. 

Now for APD and the juniors I could see it being a problem. 6.5 doesn't pen it very well unless shot in the perfect spot. 

 

If I had a say, I'd make them either harder to obtain, or make them slower (since they should be heavier with armor anyways). Slower means easier to keep up with and easier to rip.

[billdroid 1071]

These should have been only obtainable through airdrops, which, iirc was initial idea when it was brought up. At this point people have too many of them and if we were to revert them to airdrop only, we would have to clear peoples garages and pay out the difference imo.

[Toretto 983]

How the community opinion has changed in a month 

 

[xsmitherz 2236]

Last 30 Days for Civs (All spawns excluded during invasion)

Hatchback Sport	26491
Prowler (Viper)	7494
Orca	4979
Box Van	3723
MH-9 Hummingbird	3544
SUV	3060
Qilin (Light)	1987
Offroad	1876
Tempest Device	1641
HEMTT (Device)	1521
Ifrit	1495
Van (Vehicle Transport)	1457
Prowler (Light)	1336
Caesar BTT	1200
Prowler (Black)	879
Ghost Hawk (Pylons)	862
M-900 Civilian	843
Offroad Covered	728
Warden	713
Hatchback	610
Enforcer	600
Quadbike	540
HEMTT Transport	524
HEMTT Box	426
Kart	411
Zamak Covered	376
Hellcat	363
Fuel Van	310
Transport Van	278
Huron	258
Taru	235
Tempest Covered	232
CH-49 Mohawk	228
Motorboat	214
Caesar Racing	194
MB 4WD	185
Taru Covered	154
Hunter	144
HEMTT Fuel	129
RHIB Transport	120
HEMTT Covered	111
Hellcat (Dynamic)	107
Enforcer (Smoke)	106
Tractor	99
Prowler Armed (Tropic)	93
MB 4WD LMG	73
Zamak Fuel	72
Offroad HMG (FIA)	67
Kart (Red)	65
Offroad (HMG+)	64
Strider	56
MB 4WD AT	55
Qilin (Minigun+, Smoke)	54
To-201 Shikra	53
Scooter	51
Taru Fuel	48
SDV Sub	46
Y-32 Xi’an (Infantry)	46
Prowler Armed (Tropic NATO)	43
V-44 X Blackfish (Infantry)	42
Orca (Smoke)	41
F/A-181 Black Wasp	36
Tempest Fuel	36
Zamak Transport	35
Offroad (FIA)	35
Prowler (Smoke HMG)	34
Prowler (M2)	33
A-143 Buzzard CAS	29
Offroad AT (AAF)	29
Tempest Transport	26
Ifrit (Smoke)	24
Strider (360 Smoke)	22
Hunter (Smoke)	20
Speedboat Minigun	19
Van Transport	19
Ifrit (360 Smoke)	18
Huron (Armed)	16
Tempest Ammo (Green Hex)	16
A-149 Gryphon	15
V-44 X Blackfish (Vehicle)	15
Rescue Boat	14
Qilin (Minigun+)	11
Lifeboat	11
Rubber Boat	8
Ghost Hawk (Camo)	7
A-164 Wipeout	6
Kart (Fuel)	6
Taru Bench	4
To-199 Neophron	4
Ghost Hawk (CTR G Tropic)	3
Kart (Blue)	3
V-44 X Blackfish	3
Zamak Ammo	2
Kart (Vrana)	2

[XBlackxBirdX 285]

@ xsmitherz  Is there anyway to exclude vehicles pulled inside the invasion zone? Feel like that would change the armored vehicle number like crazy.

[notjaydenn 23]

26 minutes ago, xsmitherz said:

Last 30 Days for Civs:

Hatchback Sport	29808
Ifrit	18614
Prowler (Viper)	8669
Orca	5592
Box Van	4076
MH-9 Hummingbird	3978
Enforcer (Smoke)	3832
Enforcer	3674
SUV	3405
Ifrit (Smoke)	2696
Qilin (Light)	2321
Warden	2253
Offroad	2158
Tempest Device	1795
HEMTT (Device)	1670
Van (Vehicle Transport)	1630
Prowler (Light)	1578
Caesar BTT	1342
Prowler (Black)	1049
Ghost Hawk (Pylons)	961
M-900 Civilian	956
Offroad Covered	795
Hatchback	707
Quadbike	634
Ifrit (360 Smoke)	612
HEMTT Transport	578
Kart	490
HEMTT Box	451
Zamak Covered	408
Hellcat	392
Fuel Van	346
Transport Van	304
Hunter	295
Huron	280
Taru	262
CH-49 Mohawk	258
Tempest Covered	254
Motorboat	244
MB 4WD	213
Caesar Racing	212
Taru Covered	166
RHIB Transport	142
HEMTT Fuel	137
HEMTT Covered	122
Hellcat (Dynamic)	117
Tractor	115
Prowler Armed (Tropic)	94
Strider	84
Orca (Smoke)	82
Zamak Fuel	80
MB 4WD LMG	80
Kart (Red)	75
Offroad HMG (FIA)	68
Offroad (HMG+)	66
Y-32 Xi’an (Infantry)	64
Scooter	57
Hunter (Smoke)	56
To-201 Shikra	56
Strider (360 Smoke)	56
MB 4WD AT	55
SDV Sub	55
Taru Fuel	55
Qilin (Minigun+, Smoke)	54
V-44 X Blackfish (Infantry)	49
Prowler Armed (Tropic NATO)	45
Prowler (M2)	38
Zamak Transport	38
Tempest Fuel	37
F/A-181 Black Wasp	37
Offroad (FIA)	36
Prowler (Smoke HMG)	35
A-143 Buzzard CAS	34
Offroad AT (AAF)	31
Tempest Transport	30
A-149 Gryphon	23
Speedboat Minigun	22
Van Transport	21
Tempest Ammo (Green Hex)	20
Huron (Armed)	20
Rescue Boat	18
V-44 X Blackfish (Vehicle)	16
Lifeboat	14
Qilin (Minigun+)	11
Rubber Boat	8
Ghost Hawk (Camo)	7
A-164 Wipeout	6
Kart (Fuel)	6
To-199 Neophron	4
Taru Bench	4
Kart (Blue)	4
V-44 X Blackfish 	3
Ghost Hawk (CTR G Tropic)	3
Zamak Ammo	2
Kart (Vrana)	2

Ya aint no way Ifrits are used more then warden in normal S1 activities 

[silton 5055]

10 minutes ago, notjaydenn said:

Ya aint no way Ifrits are used more then warden in normal S1 activities 

People who fight caps use them consistently 

[xsmitherz 2236]

42 minutes ago, XBlackxBirdX said:

@ xsmitherz  Is there anyway to exclude vehicles pulled inside the invasion zone? Feel like that would change the armored vehicle number like crazy.

Very good point. I've edited my response to exclude all spawns during the time of invasion. So it will be slightllllly off if they were pulled during those times for non-invasion purposes, but close enough.