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We suggested making them glow/smoke/something more obvious but it just seemed a little too out of place. You've got two minutes to find the guy now so unless the guy has 300 IQ and waits for you to go near water, you should find them anyway.

Civilian council isn't here to turn civilians into terminators - we're after fun, fair and balanced gameplay. We're making good progress with balancing the factions and restoring the general order of things - far from perfect, but we're getting there. Once we see some of the bigger features we've had in the pipeline for the past few months things can only improve further. Right now I'd love to see the focus on cartels and getting federal events back into the lime light. Personally I'd love to see the APD have some sort of federal event they can start and the civilians attack for once. Some sort of protect the VIP, gold transport or something along those lines.

Even if there was, you would be very upset about it as usual. Since your here @mohsen98 tell us, list everything you would change or add to the Vigilantes. Don't hold back, I want to hear every single idea you have friend!

I think Nerdy explained fairly well. if you go up a few posts.

I don't have anything to do with how your uniform looks man. I'm happy to take the credit (read: blame) for this, and while I think this is a good change (apart from the loss of aesthetics), this was a staff and sAPD thing. The civilian council has bought this up in the past, but this time around it was a staff thing and the sAPD agreed. Lets see what the designers do with uniforms?

While I disagree with your premise behind APD nerfs, I can assure you the civilian council takes into account how it will affect all ranks on the APD. We don't have sAPD on the council, but we do have Corporals, POs and Deputies. I feel like we use a wide variety of opinions when presenting a decision to the staff, and it's important to remember that's how it works. We don't do things in an echo chamber and ultimately the staff has full control over what gets added to the servers. However, I've mentioned this before to others that it is a little strange that both the whitelisted factions do not have any junior rank representation. While they were all obviously junior ranks themselves at one point, the game changes, the meta shifts and the playstyle of both factions will change over time. I feel junior ranks, in general, are in a unique position to offer their opinion and it should not be discounted. The civilian council for example handles this by recruiting individuals who have very few hours on the server, in addition to others with thousands of hours. Older players on the council (myself included) are sometimes stuck in their ways, they might already have a foothold and a far easier time than newer players. We feel it's very important to try and represent all players and their experience, not just a subsection of them.

All things on cop.

Remember these are upcoming changes and additions - some of these will take some time to implement. Cartels Group system tweaks Players in a group on cap should not contest the capture of the cartel. Grouped players should have green names, regardless of gang affiliation. If a gang member isn't in your group their name should not be green. Groups persisting through server restart if they have two or more members online. Add the ability to refill mags at a dope crate Scats Pharma tweaks Small should spawn a Hemtt Ammo, rather than a Zamak. Medium should spawn a Tempest Repair. Large should spawn a Tempest Ammo. APD money tweaks, see below Runs Add a "request dope crate" button to the phone that dispatches your location Feds Airdrop event that drops around 1-2m of gear at random Should contain random rebel gear, a random piece of warpoint gear (that you can already purchase fron the WP shop). Should spawn randomly on the map but avoid warzone and main towns. Should be a redzone once it spawns. Map marker appears for everyone. Few minutes of warning before it starts floating down. Once per restart if there are 60+ players online. APD involvement, with waves, standard redzone rules. APD Roundtable Add MK18 for Sergeant+ Ghosthawk buddy system for pilot/gunner to share lethal money Removal of lethal splitting for ground lethals Money reduction for the APD Done on a per rank basis as they do not have any reliable money sinks. Income reduced by 60% for Deputies. Income reduced by 35% for Patrol Officers. Income reduced by 15% for Corporals. Undercover Qilin for Sergeant+ General Add option to purchase full or basic coverage on vehicles in your garage Increase vehicle limit to 75 from of 50 Raise betting cap to 1 billion dollars Replace Carrier Lite with Police Vest for Corporals Add Civilian council uniform to Rebel shop You can find the roster for the @Civilian Council here. As always you can find details on how to apply here:

When 5 cops are online you gain 5% processing speed, for every additional cop past that you gain an extra 1%, up to 10%. For example 8 cops online means 8% extra processing speed.

I believe we suggested 150k, in line with the other LMGs. Thinking about it this might be a little high considering the inability to purchase the mags easily and use it as an LMG.

They originally argued for a 6.5mm carbine, we obviously stomped on that idea. The reason the vigilante reps gave for wanting the 6.5mm was, in part, so they could engage better at slightly longer ranges. The SPAR-16S allows them to do this, within reasonable distances while still not being quite as strong as a 6.5mm weapon. I think I speak for everyone, excluding Vigilantes of course, when I say we don't want a bunch of rebel camping rats having easy access to 150-round drum mags. You can still buy them for warpoints, but if the APD catches you, expect to have your license removed. You guys still make insane money, with basically zero roleplay, and now you get to do it with a better weapon.

It was denied once during a staff meeting too, I guess the idea got there in the end.

I think we're still all waiting for the new cartel events, etc. There are good changes coming if you look at past roundtables.

A few things left in discussion this week, I'll include those in Decembers roundtable. Remember these are upcoming changes and additions - some of these will take some time to implement. General Increase gas station robbery payout based on online APD members Base payout of 35k, increases by 10k per online officer, up to a maximum of 85k (5 cops). Cartels Add the ability to pay gangshed rent a month in advance Scats Add a Sofia black market for Mushrooms Design team will work to update the billboards more often. Runs Increase Salt, Silver, Copper, Glass and Cement sell prices by 20% Processing speed bonus based on how much you process in a single sitting The goal here is to lesson the burden of using larger vehicles and generally buff the pretty dull processing time the longer you do it. This would stack with the other buffs you currently get (cartel capture and cops online). Small vehicles will see a relatively small buff, whereas larger vehicles will see more of a prolonged benefit the longer you are able to keep processing. This buff disapears if you stop processing for a couple of minutes, discouraging players from going AFK. Legal with a WPL license. 3% processing time decrease after 120 items processed 6% processing time decrease after 180 items processed 9% processing time decrease after 240 items processed 12% processing time decrease after 300 items processed Illegal - One ingredient (coke, heroin, etc) 5% processing time decrease after 150 items processed 10% processing time decrease after 210 items processed 15% processing time decrease after 270 items processed 20% processing time decrease after 330 items processed Illegal - Three ingredients (moonshine, meth) 5% processing time decrease after 50 items processed 10% processing time decrease after 70 items processed 15% processing time decrease after 90 items processed 20% processing time decrease after 110 items processed For example during an illegal run: A Van would recieve no bonus, a Truck Boxer would see a 5% bonus for his last backpack full, a Tempest Device would see a 5-15% bonus and only the 15% for the very last backpack full. A Hemmt Transport would be required to see the full 5-20%, with the 20% only being applied for the last two backpacks. Vigis Improve the put player in vehicle function, prioritize vehicles that you have keys to in a close proximity Bolt cutters for vigilantes purchasable from the vigilante outpost and legalized SPAR-16S (no 150-round mags) added to tier 5 vigilante, replacing the Mk20c This change properly reflects the amount of time and effort put into getting tier 5. 150-round magazines are still illegal and purchasable at the warpoint shop only. You can find the roster for the @Civilian Council here. As always you can find details on how to apply here:

While we have everyones attention, there are a few spots still open on the civilian council. Vigilante needs the most help right now, so if you're one of those, check this post out:

Cartels Make the dope shot revive the player instead of just allowing an epipen to be administered. You can also apply the dope shot to yourself after being revived by an epipen. Add colored hexes for gangs and groups. Add most war kills title "God of War" Actually have a gang wars, date TBD. Scats Redesign some processors to match the current quality of Moonshine Brewery without moving anything significantly. When APD bolt cut into a house it should announce they are doing so, as if they were using the windows key menu. This prevents sneaky APD members from gaining entry to your house without you knowing. Stolen APD backpacks should stay invisible when you pick them up. The return of drug dealer interrogation. If you have sold drugs recently and a member of the APD interrogates the NPC, they will be presented with a list of players and a Drug Trafficing (15k, gives probable cause) charge will automatically be applied to those individuals. Runs Virtual items are included when using the save loadout feature. Track the number of players being sent to jail at the actual jail. Add Promet SG mags (buckshot 2wp, slugs 4wp) to the warpoint shop. Remove short barrel P90 from the warpoint shop and add the long barrel variant instead (7wp). Add 5.7 suppressor to the warpoint shop (30wp). Add .45 ACP suppressor to the warpoint shop (5wp). Plane delivery missions cost 60k to start (was previously 75k). RPK price increased to 160k, but add the ability to buy 75-round drum mags for 15k. Vigis Add "Rebel Camper" title for 250 arrests. Vigilantes can group up and split bounties equally between 3 players (was previously 2 players). Add an Orca skin exclusive to vigilantes. Raise the number of arrests needed for T1 to T4. For example, T1 at 0 arrests, T2 at 25 arrests, T3 at 50 arrests, T4 at 100, and T5 at 200. T2 payout to increase to 45% of the bounty. Feds Swap the pharma and bank locations. This makes sense from a roleplay perspective and should hopefully allow for a better overall layout and design for the new bank. Improvements to logging items and vehicles from BW and federal events. APD Roundtable Allow the dopamine chance on being epi'd to be applied to APD members. Create a most lethal title for cop. Decrease the pardon title from 500 to 250. Make vandalized APD hatchbacks seizable (not a guns hot vehicle for ghosthawks). Add "possession of illegal equipment charge" or change pos. of illegal weapon to cover CSAT/other illegal equipment Remove or drastically reduce Medic Armor. R&R Roundtable When civilians request denial through their death screen make it another color. Add regular hellcat for coordinators. Add bandannas to supervisor+ shop. General Add confirmation box to the "request denial" button. Add a civilian council Hatchback skin. We're looking for applications still, information on how to apply here: You can find the public roster for the @Civilian Council here. Note: Some items listed are duplicates from the last civilian council blog post due to a postponed staff meeting.

@Osama al-Zarkawi I tried, sadly the fun police turned up.

Just because we both play the server in different ways doesn't mean either of our opinions/ideas are worth any more or less. Take a look at the stats yourself and ask yourself why this might be bad for the community. Civilian is the lifeblood of the server, with less activity there both of the whitelisted factions no longer work and prosper like they should.

Maybe now that you get a reduced rate for criminals not paying their ticket you might see the APD roleplaying more to encourage players to pay their tickets. Thinking about it, there is basically no incentive at all to paying a ticket since jail time is such a joke right now :/

Sadly someone from the Vigi council has to turn up and present their ideas and defend their "faction". Ultimately vigilantes, just like the APD are making too much money from bounties and have for some time now. We're finally making some progress and you're literally @'ing the wrong guy. You're welcome to apply if you think you can represent your group better.

Cartels Warzone raid changes Max 5 waves per raid PO+ have to pay 100% of their loadout cost if they die during the wave. Civilians recieve warpoints based on the quality of gear the APD officer is wearing APD officers count towards civilian killstreaks PO+ are lethals only (Exception: Following someone in first wave you are permitted to taze) New cartel event: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cu8KLhXpRxeLdmz16nwYu7b4egjRRZcmO3DqKXHvOj0 Qilins added to the warpoint shop for 12pts Add food and water to dope crates Scats We wanted to encourage more income generation on the civilian faction rather than the whitelisted ones. Bounty payout reductions for both the APD and Vigilantes APD payout for non-payment of ticket reduced to: 75% for 3+ officers 50% for 2 officers 24% for 1 officer Vigi bounty arrest rewards reduced to: Tier 1 - 30% Tier 2 - 40% Tier 3 - 60% Tier 4 - 75% Reduced medic revive reward to 15k per revive Reduced all truck purchase price by 25%. This also affects upgrade and insurance price Reduced APD restrain protection radius to 25meters 10 minute auto unrestrain timer increased to 15minutes in line with the maximum hostage time limit Runs Remove Chief of Police Xi’an insurance, however reduced purchase price from 10m to 5m Reduced salvage income by an additional 10% Radioactive event: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YOj-f0Yh1oyN99d1QMSV28mohqUcBSklC1Jbn9JJk3Q Vigi Remove the rule: "If a player has been a victim of robbery or murder, that player may not return to seek revenge and send him/her to jail." Feds Remove armed Qilin from BW lootpool and add to Rebel outpost vehicle shop Ban vans usage at Federal Reserve robberies, re-open original jump spots at crate jump, near telos tower, and gate 4 Make blackwater green external walls unbreakable Other Raise betting cap to 50m, confirmation dialog if the bet is over 5m You can find the public roster for the Civilian Council here If you're interested in applying for the Civilian Council, you can find information here:

Cartels (@swervy @Jimmy Jarvis @nomadox @thor @genesis) New cartel event system. A Domination-like event where you get money based on contesting and winning the event. Details to be fleshed out between the Devs and the Cartel council. Approved Corporal+ pays 50% of their physical loadout value when they die inside the warzone. This would be a popup confirmation or automated system asking if they want to pay. Approved Move Arms cartel to OG, and make it a static cartel. Church becomes part of the standard cartel rotation instead. Approved Scats (@Unjo @John Wayne @Silton @Mr Majestic) Handbook clarification for Hostage negotiations. Basically preventing the APD from offering a Weapon Flashlight in exchange for the five Medics you have restrained. Approved When you login carrying over your maximum weight and drop a physical item (normally rockets, etc) you should get a notification that this has happened. It's far too easy to run away from where you spawned before realizing you're missing 3 titan rockets. Approved Organ harvesting tweaks. Unlimited-use scalpels rather than single-use, raise the price of scalpels to 35k, reduce kidney weight to 25. Approved Runs (@Bloodmoon @Zahzi @Mudiwa @Cutie (QT)) Allow the y menu and virtual inventory of vehicles accessible while picking. This bugs and happens most of the time while picking anyway, but it is hard to consistently reproduce. Denied due to potential exploits Revert diamond processor to the gangshed building. Approved Change the Total Drugs sold titles to be value-based instead of quantity based. Titles will be changed to 10m, 50m, 100m. Approved Vigis (@|REAL| Boing @bioshock12391 @~FLO~Alex) Fix the bug with not being able to change to the Vigilante skin when you're insuring your vehicle. Approved Add all casual clothes from the main clothing store to the Vigilante shop. Approved Feds (@Civak @rabeed @an overweight giant retard) Different animation for repairing, lockpicking, and blood bagging. On Hold until suitable animations are found. Adding a 100k single-use AED/Defib that allows civilians to revive somebody without giving them a dopamine timer. Can use on player's previously epi'd. It can’t be used on the same player twice within a set period. Approved Adding SPAR16-s 150 round mags to the warpoint shop for 5 warpoints. Approved When locked onto an aerial vehicle with a Titan, have the player name pop up (for engagement purposes). Approved APD Remove reloading when loading lethals Approved Don’t get nerfed. Denied

I feel like it summerized your reasoning quite clearly to be honest. Some of the ideas and suggestions we come up with take 2-3 months to implement, sometimes longer in rare cases. They'll get to them eventually, dev time is unfortunately very limited.

We have vacant slots on the civilian council, you're welcome to apply. We're after small iterative changes to get the balance right. Just because one larger organised group is winning doesn't mean things are mechanically broken. Ask the smaller groups like Tp and SPQR that attempt feds/bw what their win rate is - I can assure you they're having much more trouble with a smaller group than we are with a larger one.

I think it would be more accurate to say we want balance between the factions and different play styles. I think once Vigilantes are in line as far as their monetary gains go, we'll find it easier to suggest obvious quality of life changes that they could benefit from. We're mostly waiting to see what happens with the taze script right now, we might be fucking them quite hard with that. I did, and I'll try and explain why myself, and apparently other civ council members and staff thought it was a good idea. Right now houses are basically being taken hostage by a portion of the older player base that have already made their money with the houses. A lot of the houses currently owned by these players don't even get used anymore, they are simply refreshed and left to rot. I'm guilty of this too. A good example is players that are currently inactive, perm banned or simply don't have the game installed anymore can have their buddies with permanent keys keep their houses active and off the market. Stopping this behaviour is beneficial to new players that are currently the life blood of the servers. We're not even talking about a lot of money here, 10% of a 4 crater is 220k/month. I think if you're sitting on a 4 crater like that, you purchased, upgraded and put gear into - you can probably afford that upkeep and the tax is more than reasonable. Of course if the owner isn't around at all to pay the fee, or can't afford to pay the fee then the house goes up on the market for anyone to purchase. I haven't even touched on the advantages having a passive money sink has on the server economy and inflation.