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Please tell me it is another version of @ Grandma Gary is Hitler. That might be one of my favorites

I will say on the topic of ownership since this was mentioned once or twice between our internal discussion as well, here is my current perspective: if a player is blowing up a gang shed, it is very likely they are certain as they would not want to waste the explosives. For the player killing them, that would be easily verifiable to them because they would have keys and see it on the map. If the player who blew it up and was killed had suspicions that the player was not in possesion of keys to that shed, they could submit a report at their own prerogative where we would be able to pull that data and determine the outcome from there. I don't think the ownership thing is an issue although (super hot take) I've never been opposed to allowing civs to check the ownership of a house. If cops can do it, I don't see any reason why civs should be limited in this capacity. Should they be able to walk up and check the owner of every house and write it down? No, because cops generally have not done that. With a really large cooldown timer or something though I don't think this would be a bad addition. Also not sure it is entirely necessary but don't think it could really hurt as far as things go.

@ doubleueyeceekay Do not let him lie to you- this is exactly what he means!!!

Bro I am not trying to gaslight anyone. I just really do not see bolt-cutting rules as gray. If you're found to be bolt-cutting somthing; that to me is a hostile action. At the end of the day different staff members may have different interpretations of the rules. We try to all be on the same page but ultimately we are all human and all each have our own individual predisposed opinions and perceptions of the rules.

NGL I've always thought that's how it should be too. If you are able to establish that a group member is in custody, in my opinion it should keep the engagement going. If I had to guess I would bet that is one of the largest misconceptions newer players have regarding RDM rules. It would prevent misconceptions that lead to bans and would make more sense for both parties. Although I know that's not what this thread is about, if that was put up to an internal vote, I would be all for that being revised.

As it currently stands we allow players to kill others for attempting to steal their vehicle or boltcut into their house. Why would we not allow players to kill those who are trying to blow up their house or shed when it is a much more expensive piece of property? If someone tried to blow my house up I would definitely consider that a hostile action

Yes I have.

To expand on this: The way Arma does damage handling sucks. Depending on what other methods of obtaining war points would be added, I could see it absolutely being exploited by players who understand how bad Arma is at handling that. Especially since people have exploited more indepth difficult systems for less. Creating larger rewards for war points would further incentivise players to try and re-create those scenerios for the sake of farming points. That would be more people needlessly getting banned. If the system was changed then it was changed for a reason. Now this is something that I could see potentially being worked with and could potentially allow you guys to get some war-point changes through. I am not saying that making changes to war points will be impossible but simply asking it to be "reverted to how it was" will likely never happen. If it was changed, it was very likely for a reason. Your guys best chance is working with small changes that does not significantly increase the risk of abuse and work from there. I don't have infinite money and I am a fan of war points. I'm just simply putting it out how it is.

Honestly development effort wise, making the changes mentioned in the posts and replies would be super easy. I think the larger problem is abuse and exploitation. Although there's things we could do to potentially mitigate those risks, we could never really prevent them. I think that is generally why it is a non-starter and for good reason. It's unfortunate but it makes sense.

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