House Raiding Debate

[CIA JOSH 2895]

37 minutes ago, sploding said:

Don't get me wrong he's a decent cop and fun to play with but don't expect a well reasoned, multilayered and educated argument.

You're complaining about a video game feature and taking it to a personal level but still have the nerve to judge intelligence...? Interesting

[Super_Nova 213]

40 minutes ago, sploding said:

Bruh this kid is a 15 year old APD Corporal and FTO, hes put in 23 hours into cop in the last week alone and has 500 hours as a cop. No joke he probably has no life outside of playing on Olympus and those are  is his biggest achievements in life up to now.

 

Don't get me wrong he's a decent cop and fun to play with but don't expect a well reasoned, multilayered and educated argument. You're arguing with a literal child who's so privileged his life probably revolves around a video game and who's TS tags may very well be the most responsibility and respect he's gotten his entire life with dying on cop or losing gear being his biggest struggles yet.

 

You can't expect much from someone like that, you're effectively attacking the biggest thing in his life and he's too immature to see other viewpoints and his own biases, when you attack the APD to him it's a personal attack on his biggest achievements because he's too young and inexperiencedy to know better.

what was your goal with this piece of cancer?

[MBPslyr 153]

Why dont we have cops require a blasting charge to raid a players "vault" same mechanics as how feds and backwaters work

[hawk 1527]

3 hours ago, sploding said:

Bruh this kid is a 15 year old APD Corporal and FTO, hes put in 23 hours into cop in the last week alone and has 500 hours as a cop. No joke he probably has no life outside of playing on Olympus and those are  is his biggest achievements in life up to now.

 

Don't get me wrong he's a decent cop and fun to play with but don't expect a well reasoned, multilayered and educated argument. You're arguing with a literal child who's so privileged his life probably revolves around a video game and who's TS tags may very well be the most responsibility and respect he's gotten his entire life with dying on cop or losing gear being his biggest struggles yet.

 

You can't expect much from someone like that, you're effectively attacking the biggest thing in his life and he's too immature to see other viewpoints and his own biases, when you attack the APD to him it's a personal attack on his biggest achievements because he's too young and inexperiencedy to know better.

The fact that you decided to write this and flame someone based on their personal life ON A VIDEO GAME FORUM shows that you're so fucking immature. He didn't agree with your arguments so the first think you decided to do was flame a teenager and bring it to a personal level. You never met the guy and probably barely talked to him. Stop commenting on this post if you have nothing productive to say. You don't have the right to call @Panda :) immature after writing this. 

And, I guess you proved yourself right about this: 

[GregoV1 981]

I’m too lazy to read all of this. I’m just going to bed. Good night

[LULA 2022 - PT 13 490]

6 hours ago, Google said:

Why are you attacking him on a personal level? People like you are what cause problems, no one ever mentioned anything about someone's life until you decided to say this. So let me put it this way. Shut the fuck up. We are trying to get something productive done here and you attacking people such as @Panda :) on a personal level does not advance this argument for our side by anything it only deteriorates it. It paints us out to be people who can't offer anything else to say except hey you're a no life. When that does not represent the people of our side who are wanting this change. It may represent some such as yourself, but certainly not the majority so please if you want us to try to make things better for civilians you need to begin watching how you act towards people publicly on the forums. (during an argument)

I think the most ironic thing in this post is when you said "...he's too immature...", yet you are clearly the immature one here. You are going after him as a person by saying he has no life and being a Corporal is his biggest achievement in life. When someone such as yourself can't think of anything else to say except stuff such as "no life", "biggest achievement in life up to now", "literal child", "privileged his life", "attacking the biggest thing in his life", "too immature", that makes you seem immature because you clearly can't handle accepting that you don't know what else to say. In the future if you're wanting to seem much more mature I highly advise to never go after someone on a personal level, it makes you seem immature because you can't control yourself or what you say. It also doesn't help the argument, if someone can't think of anything else to say except "no life" it makes their argument appear to be weak.

Just some advice, take it as you please.

Yeah that was pretty stupid and helped no one, I'm also kinda retarded so I probably shouldn't talk. Sorry @Panda :) I'm sure you're a delightful young man with a bright future ahead of you.

[Sho 186]

13 hours ago, KrispyK said:

the 15 minute between checks has been standard for ever

lol 

8 hours ago, MBPslyr said:

Why dont we have cops require a blasting charge to raid a players "vault" same mechanics as how feds and backwaters work

I honestly would not mind putting a couple minute timer on searching houses, however you have to realize this would also mean we don’t have to call it clear to search houses essentially making it similar times. 

[KrispyK 22]

3 hours ago, Sho said:

lol 

I honestly would not mind putting a couple minute timer on searching houses, however you have to realize this would also mean we don’t have to call it clear to search houses essentially making it similar times. 

I think a good middle ground is adding some type of delay or doing it while someone is there to be able to defend, since most wait till they leave

[Google 872]

7 minutes ago, KrispyK said:

I think a good middle ground is adding some type of delay or doing it while someone is there to be able to defend, since most wait till they leave

Putting a delay wouldn’t be effective. I’m assuming by delay you mean from the point of them seeing you at the house. If so then that would not be effective since they basically wait now anyways for you to leave at least this doesn’t fix any of the issues here imo.

Doing it while someone is there present to defend is a really good compromise that has been suggested multiple times by now yet we see no official response. But even then it’s not good because the cops will just keep coming back and will inevitably win and raid your house. A good way to fix this would be a limited # of waves to a house raid. For example after 3 waves then the house can no longer be raided but you can still capture the individual.

The reason there needs to be a way for civilians to win is because if they’re skilled enough to stop a certain number of cop waves then they should be rewarded for it. In this case it’s the cops no longer can raid his house but can still keep going and capture him.

@Pledge thoughts? @hawk @Outcast

Edited March 20, 2019 by Google

[hee 9]

11 hours ago, Google said:

Doing it while someone is there present to defend is a really good compromise that has been suggested multiple times by now yet we see no official response. But even then it’s not good because the cops will just keep coming back and will inevitably win and raid your house. A good way to fix this would be a limited # of waves to a house raid. For example after 3 waves then the house can no longer be raided but you can still capture the individual.

This has the be the best solution. 1. Cops need to engage on the player they see interacting with the house/gang shed if they want to raid it. and 2. 3 waves max then the house can no longer be raided until another player is engaged the next reset

 

 If they fix those two things there would be no issue. Cops dont get to raid houses with no fight and civs can actually win 

[Bongo Bongo Bongo 70]

21 hours ago, Grego said:

I’m too lazy to read all of this. I’m just going to bed. Good night

 

[MBPslyr 153]

14 hours ago, Google said:

Doing it while someone is there present to defend is a really good compromise that has been suggested multiple times by now yet we see no official response. But even then it’s not good because the cops will just keep coming back and will inevitably win and raid your house. A good way to fix this would be a limited # of waves to a house raid. For example after 3 waves then the house can no longer be raided but you can still capture the individual.

The reason there needs to be a way for civilians to win is because if they’re skilled enough to stop a certain number of cop waves then they should be rewarded for it. In this case it’s the cops no longer can raid his house but can still keep going and capture him.

@Pledge thoughts? @hawk @Outcast

that seems like an easy solution that plenty of players could get behind.

only issue is there is not really a wave rule for houses

[Cale 556]

What if you added in an extra upgrade to your house/shed that made you have stronger doors so it would take longer to raid and you would have more time to set up and defend?

[Richard 595]

27 minutes ago, Cale said:

What if you added in an extra upgrade to your house/shed that made you have stronger doors so it would take longer to raid and you would have more time to set up and defend?

How would this help if you got raided while offline?  How would this help if the watched you do whatever, recorded, submitted to a sargent, and then you have a Fed reserve stack at your front door?

[Cale 556]

5 hours ago, RDyer216 said:

How would this help if you got raided while offline?  How would this help if the watched you do whatever, recorded, submitted to a sargent, and then you have a Fed reserve stack at your front door?

It would give you more time, and if you get offline raided that sucks.

[Unjo 1818]

Ok, don't think this has been suggested yet but what about SAPD have to actually transport the seized goods?

Some more detail:

When probable cause is given (same rules as now) a charge, time for a seaech warrant to be signed or whatever timer will start. In this time cops will have to defend the house from civs that will try to move the goods. When the timer is up, SAPD or authorised cops will move items and gear from the house to any ground vehicle they choose. Once full the vehicle will go to a hq and when deemed clear the drugs and gear will be gone for good.

Something will have to be worked out with the whitelisting of civ guns to cops so that they can go from house to vehicle.

The reason that it has to be a ground vehicle is that so civs can actually get their gear back, if its placed in a heli it's kinda a free win for the cops.

Kinda like a cop on civ mini fed event. 

[Richard 595]

10 minutes ago, Unjo said:

Ok, don't think this has been suggested yet but what about SAPD have to actually transport the seized goods?

Some more detail:

When probable cause is given (same rules as now) a charge, time for a seaech warrant to be signed or whatever timer will start. In this time cops will have to defend the house from civs that will try to move the goods. When the timer is up, SAPD or authorised cops will move items and gear from the house to any ground vehicle they choose. Once full the vehicle will go to a hq and when deemed clear the drugs and gear will be gone for good.

Something will have to be worked out with the whitelisting of civ guns to cops so that they can go from house to vehicle.

The reason that it has to be a ground vehicle is that so civs can actually get their gear back, if its placed in a heli it's kinda a free win for the cops.

Kinda like a cop on civ mini fed event. 

A reverse BW type thing. 

[Google 872]

29 minutes ago, Unjo said:

Ok, don't think this has been suggested yet but what about SAPD have to actually transport the seized goods?

Some more detail:

When probable cause is given (same rules as now) a charge, time for a seaech warrant to be signed or whatever timer will start. In this time cops will have to defend the house from civs that will try to move the goods. When the timer is up, SAPD or authorised cops will move items and gear from the house to any ground vehicle they choose. Once full the vehicle will go to a hq and when deemed clear the drugs and gear will be gone for good.

Something will have to be worked out with the whitelisting of civ guns to cops so that they can go from house to vehicle.

The reason that it has to be a ground vehicle is that so civs can actually get their gear back, if its placed in a heli it's kinda a free win for the cops.

Kinda like a cop on civ mini fed event. 

Like the idea, but I think I would favor the other ideas over this one because I feel like the other ideas have the same result (Civs fighting cops), but with less need for development. I feel like the other idea(s) would be more optimal since developers are already being flooded with stuff to do.

[MBPslyr 153]

19 hours ago, Unjo said:

Ok, don't think this has been suggested yet but what about SAPD have to actually transport the seized goods?

Some more detail:

When probable cause is given (same rules as now) a charge, time for a seaech warrant to be signed or whatever timer will start. In this time cops will have to defend the house from civs that will try to move the goods. When the timer is up, SAPD or authorised cops will move items and gear from the house to any ground vehicle they choose. Once full the vehicle will go to a hq and when deemed clear the drugs and gear will be gone for good.

Something will have to be worked out with the whitelisting of civ guns to cops so that they can go from house to vehicle.

The reason that it has to be a ground vehicle is that so civs can actually get their gear back, if its placed in a heli it's kinda a free win for the cops.

Kinda like a cop on civ mini fed event. 

That would be exciting.

[NexIV 139]

On 3/21/2019 at 8:03 PM, Unjo said:

Ok, don't think this has been suggested yet but what about SAPD have to actually transport the seized goods?

Some more detail:

When probable cause is given (same rules as now) a charge, time for a seaech warrant to be signed or whatever timer will start. In this time cops will have to defend the house from civs that will try to move the goods. When the timer is up, SAPD or authorised cops will move items and gear from the house to any ground vehicle they choose. Once full the vehicle will go to a hq and when deemed clear the drugs and gear will be gone for good.

Something will have to be worked out with the whitelisting of civ guns to cops so that they can go from house to vehicle.

The reason that it has to be a ground vehicle is that so civs can actually get their gear back, if its placed in a heli it's kinda a free win for the cops.

Kinda like a cop on civ mini fed event. 

+1

[Jungle Boys 22]

if u have a bounty or a weapon thats illegal dont go near ur house simple at the end of the day server rules can get bent and apd will always win smh