Unpopular opinion but the idea communism is great

[Sparrows 5]

think about it the idea of communism is a great thing, the world would be in such a better place if it worked. there would be no homeless, no poor. everyone would have the same rights get the same pay, people would have the same health care and the same of education but i know communism would never work in reality as humanity is too greedy to share and people will always find a way to exploit as we have seen in the past with the likes of China and Russia.

[CIA JOSH 2895]

@Hoonter

[1thedoc 424]

communism on paper is sexy but it doesn't work like that

[Sparrows 5]

2 minutes ago, 1thedoc said:

communism on paper is sexy but it doesn't work like that

see thats my point badass idea never work tho

[Hoonter 232]

13 minutes ago, 1thedoc said:

communism on paper is sexy but it doesn't work like that

But it like did in the Soviet Union for 70 odd years, Cuba, etc.

[kirby3701 83]

Fuck communism

[proud 3635]

@vedalkenn ill let u handle this

[vedalkenn 1204]

[Toasty 1564]

Youre acting like china is not actively a communist country.

[Slumberjack 2014]

[Millennium 5787]

4 hours ago, Hoonter said:

But it like did in the Soviet Union for 70 odd years, Cuba, etc.

70 years < Countries and people older than 70 years. 

70 years is pretty fucking short

[Unjo 1818]

Millions starved in the soviet union, like 20 million I think?

Cuba almost started WW3

[Noodles:D 765]

Yeah but with communism there is no incentive to make any better products because you don't earn anything more. No matter what you invent or what product or service you make better your pay will still be the same as everyone else's. Communism=bad

[Strikke 756]

16 minutes ago, Noodles:D said:

Yeah but with communism there is no incentive to make any better products because you don't earn anything more. No matter what you invent or what product or service you make better your pay will still be the same as everyone else's. Communism=bad

This

 

Communism kills competition which in turn kills innovation. Progress would be awfully slow or we might even be stuck with certain technologies for a LONG time before anything better comes alogn. 

[Hoonter 232]

3 hours ago, Millennium said:

70 years < Countries and people older than 70 years. 

70 years is pretty fucking short

Considering the fact that the ussr was so attacked by capitalism I think 70 years is still really good.

32 minutes ago, Strikke said:

This

 

Communism kills competition which in turn kills innovation. Progress would be awfully slow or we might even be stuck with certain technologies for a LONG time before anything better comes alogn. 

Yeah that's how the Soviet Union became a world power, they started the space race the whole lack of innovation argument doesn't make sense they had innovation and they devolped Russia and the Soviet states from the back water of Europe to a nation that rivaled the nation's of the west

[Lime 2083]

I assume that under communism RGB computers wouldn't exist 

So thats gonna have to be a no from me dawg 

[TheLowborn 34]

15 hours ago, Hoonter said:

But it like did in the Soviet Union for 70 odd years, Cuba, etc.

Are we just gonna pretend that the Russian Civil War (not the Bolshevik Revolution, the war they fought for 5+ years after!), Holodomor, gulags, none of this shit existed?

The prisoners in the gulags were MINING GOLD.  That was largely what kept the system afloat.  SLAVE LABOR.

Also the idea that Communism developed Russia.  What?  What if I told you that Russia was not actually a backwater prior to Communism?  It all depends on what is viewed as progress.  Many people were peasants, its true, but they were SELF-SUFFICIENT peasants.  So they weren't making a lot of money, sure, but they could make their own shoes, their own jackets, grow their own food.

The problem was that for some of the peasants, life was very tough.  Communism taught the poor peasants to HATE the slightly better off peasants.  What does that remind you of?

It is not that different from people stuck in dead end service industry jobs, paying a lot in tax and rent and for food and health care. 

The problem with Communism is that it doesn't actually intend to improve things.  It is just a way for the wealthy to solidify their position at the top permanently.  It is just one gigantic barrier to entry. It says the right things, but does whatever it wants.  And it is global in scope. 

[its wooter 10]

Sooo- how’s life : )

[Strikke 756]

3 hours ago, Hoonter said:

Yeah that's how the Soviet Union became a world power, they started the space race the whole lack of innovation argument doesn't make sense they had innovation and they devolped Russia and the Soviet states from the back water of Europe to a nation that rivaled the nation's of the west

Sure, but at what cost did the space program come at? oh yeah most of the country was starving

[Geralt of Rivia 634]

Communism kills! This is not debatable. The record is crystal clear. The U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee conducted investigations into the number killed in the Soviet Union and China. Their report stated that 35 million to 45 million had been killed in the Soviet Union and 34 million to 62.5 million in Communist China. Even these figures are considered inadequate by authorities on the Soviet Union such as Solzhenitsyn and Antonov Ovesyenko. The latter, whose father led the Bolshevik storming of the Winter Palace in 1917, has recently published the book entitled The Time of Stalin-Portrait of a Tyranny. He calculates those killed as a result of the Communist conquest of Russia at 100 million. Some apologists for Communism acknowledge that Communism has killed in the past, but they blame this on incidental factors such as the traditions of cruelty and violence which existed in the countries conquered by the Communists, and they do not believe that killing is an essential ingredient of communism itself. They believe that the triumph of Communism in the United States, England, or Western Europe would not lead to mass slaughter. Are they right or are they suffering from a dangerous delusion? To answer this question, it is necessary to know why Communism kills. A simple, direct answer to the question, "Why does communism kill?" is-because the founder of Communism, Karl Marx, told them it was necessary to kill a large segment of the population in order to attain the basic objective of Communism. Marx states in the Manifesto of the Communist Party: You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible. (Published by Progress Publishers, Moscow, 1973 edition, page 66) Apologists for Marxism contend that Marx did not intend that this statement should be taken literally. They affirm that he was referring to the gradual elimination of property owners by the transformation of the economic system which Communism would bring to pass. They cannot deny, however, that many followers of Karl Marx, including Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and Pol Pot have taken this affirmation literally and have proceeded to kill the "middle-class owners of property" once they have acquired power. My source for all of this information is from Dr. Fred C. Schwarz and Dr. Walter Judd. Walter Henry Judd or I-te Chou, was an American politician and physician, best known for his battle in Congress to define the conservative position on China as all-out support for the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-shek and opposition to the Communists under Mao Zedong. Frederick Charles Schwarz, MD was an Australian physician and political activist who founded the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade. He made a number of speaking tours in the United States in the 1950s, and in 1960, he moved his base of operations to California. These are two very respectable people, with reliable information. 

[billdroid 899]

11 minutes ago, Hunter said:

Communism kills! This is not debatable. The record is crystal clear. The U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee conducted investigations into the number killed in the Soviet Union and China. Their report stated that 35 million to 45 million had been killed in the Soviet Union and 34 million to 62.5 million in Communist China. Even these figures are considered inadequate by authorities on the Soviet Union such as Solzhenitsyn and Antonov Ovesyenko. The latter, whose father led the Bolshevik storming of the Winter Palace in 1917, has recently published the book entitled The Time of Stalin-Portrait of a Tyranny. He calculates those killed as a result of the Communist conquest of Russia at 100 million. Some apologists for Communism acknowledge that Communism has killed in the past, but they blame this on incidental factors such as the traditions of cruelty and violence which existed in the countries conquered by the Communists, and they do not believe that killing is an essential ingredient of communism itself. They believe that the triumph of Communism in the United States, England, or Western Europe would not lead to mass slaughter. Are they right or are they suffering from a dangerous delusion? To answer this question, it is necessary to know why Communism kills. A simple, direct answer to the question, "Why does communism kill?" is-because the founder of Communism, Karl Marx, told them it was necessary to kill a large segment of the population in order to attain the basic objective of Communism. Marx states in the Manifesto of the Communist Party: You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible. (Published by Progress Publishers, Moscow, 1973 edition, page 66) Apologists for Marxism contend that Marx did not intend that this statement should be taken literally. They affirm that he was referring to the gradual elimination of property owners by the transformation of the economic system which Communism would bring to pass. They cannot deny, however, that many followers of Karl Marx, including Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and Pol Pot have taken this affirmation literally and have proceeded to kill the "middle-class owners of property" once they have acquired power. My source for all of this information is from Dr. Fred C. Schwarz and Dr. Walter Judd. Walter Henry Judd or I-te Chou, was an American politician and physician, best known for his battle in Congress to define the conservative position on China as all-out support for the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-shek and opposition to the Communists under Mao Zedong. Frederick Charles Schwarz, MD was an Australian physician and political activist who founded the Christian Anti-Communism Crusade. He made a number of speaking tours in the United States in the 1950s, and in 1960, he moved his base of operations to California. These are two very respectable people, with reliable information. 

why do you do this...

[Geralt of Rivia 634]

14 minutes ago, billdroid said:

why do you do this...

I'm just your average American standing up for Capitalism. That's all.

[TheLowborn 34]

Communism pits the poor against the middle class.

Not (!) the rich against the poor.  It is literally the billionaires telling poor people "Look at that guy, with a car and mortgage!  He is your enemy!  Not me, I am funding your political movement, your liberation!  I am with you!  Why don't I pay more taxes?  I don't know!  I blame Republicans!"

It also tells people that they are eternal victims.   You see this EVERYWHERE in society these days.

[kirby3701 83]

But who had the first people on the moon? Good Question 

 

Your move communism

[Noodles:D 765]

8 hours ago, Hoonter said:

 

Okay Communism has failed every time it has ever been tried. Many people who support Communism say that every single country that has tried it has done it wrong. How would you change what they did to make Communism better than capitalism?