i win

@Strae Your reign of terror has come to an end

Just because we both play the server in different ways doesn't mean either of our opinions/ideas are worth any more or less. Take a look at the stats yourself and ask yourself why this might be bad for the community. Civilian is the lifeblood of the server, with less activity there both of the whitelisted factions no longer work and prosper like they should.

We tested that too, required two shots to kill the pilot using HEAT and too many with HE. Still insane to have to pull a 15mil vehicle to kill a "scout". Assuming he's afk and lets you hit it, that is.

Test server, don't worry

Standard APD gear with tier 5 vest btw. Titans are not the play when fighting this thing.

Maybe now that you get a reduced rate for criminals not paying their ticket you might see the APD roleplaying more to encourage players to pay their tickets. Thinking about it, there is basically no incentive at all to paying a ticket since jail time is such a joke right now :/

Sadly someone from the Vigi council has to turn up and present their ideas and defend their "faction". Ultimately vigilantes, just like the APD are making too much money from bounties and have for some time now. We're finally making some progress and you're literally @'ing the wrong guy. You're welcome to apply if you think you can represent your group better.

Cartels Warzone raid changes Max 5 waves per raid PO+ have to pay 100% of their loadout cost if they die during the wave. Civilians recieve warpoints based on the quality of gear the APD officer is wearing APD officers count towards civilian killstreaks PO+ are lethals only (Exception: Following someone in first wave you are permitted to taze) New cartel event: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cu8KLhXpRxeLdmz16nwYu7b4egjRRZcmO3DqKXHvOj0 Qilins added to the warpoint shop for 12pts Add food and water to dope crates Scats We wanted to encourage more income generation on the civilian faction rather than the whitelisted ones. Bounty payout reductions for both the APD and Vigilantes APD payout for non-payment of ticket reduced to: 75% for 3+ officers 50% for 2 officers 24% for 1 officer Vigi bounty arrest rewards reduced to: Tier 1 - 30% Tier 2 - 40% Tier 3 - 60% Tier 4 - 75% Reduced medic revive reward to 15k per revive Reduced all truck purchase price by 25%. This also affects upgrade and insurance price Reduced APD restrain protection radius to 25meters 10 minute auto unrestrain timer increased to 15minutes in line with the maximum hostage time limit Runs Remove Chief of Police Xi’an insurance, however reduced purchase price from 10m to 5m Reduced salvage income by an additional 10% Radioactive event: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YOj-f0Yh1oyN99d1QMSV28mohqUcBSklC1Jbn9JJk3Q Vigi Remove the rule: "If a player has been a victim of robbery or murder, that player may not return to seek revenge and send him/her to jail." Feds Remove armed Qilin from BW lootpool and add to Rebel outpost vehicle shop Ban vans usage at Federal Reserve robberies, re-open original jump spots at crate jump, near telos tower, and gate 4 Make blackwater green external walls unbreakable Other Raise betting cap to 50m, confirmation dialog if the bet is over 5m You can find the public roster for the Civilian Council here If you're interested in applying for the Civilian Council, you can find information here:

Bringing this up next civilian council meeting on your behalf. I really want to see scats running around with RPGs.

Highly doubt you or anyone else would get in trouble for this. It's just an unfortunate bug that absolutely anyone can take advantage of right now. No doubt it was @DashTonic that fucked this up? ?

As long as they make best effort to read your bounty amount I don't see why it would be a problem if they couldn't read your charges because your bounty got too high. Assuming you combat logged on those other dudes, you should have gone to jail when you logged in after your ban.

@Ryan I'll take this mans cut if he's not interested Honestly dude, it looks like this was largely out of their hands. Yeah maybe a little better preparation or testing but I feel like everyone involved apart from a certain dev was trying their best to at least fix things.

Sucks this happened but this seems more than fair. Thanks for keeping us updated.

No, the hitbox does not change. We've tested this with wetsuits etc too, seems to be a cosmetic and armor value only change.

Before a solution is put forward, surely everyone need to know there is a problem to start with? This is what that post is, destructs status update was largely ignored for whatever reason. It's a win for everyone that this problem is bought out into the open with real stats to look at. To be clear I don't think anyone is looking at bomb blowing and gold sold parity. The last little bit of the timer should be tough - however, it shouldn't be essentially impossible to get from the bomb dome to a gold trader. I thought it was obvious that was a meme. I don't think we should limit ourselves to what we add to the fed, these numbers are insane. If we need towers to solve the problem then so be it. Really hoping as a group we can come up with something a bit more exciting than fucking deerstands though

That's why we're presenting gold sold here. These aren't just some random numbers we've come across. @destruct can probably confirm this for us but @Zahzi mentioned earlier that there weren't many less than 6 minute feds that were started. There really aren't that many people starting random feds just to skew the numbers where you want them to go unfortunately Hoonter. I'll quote this agian for you since you seem to have missed it. I bolded the part that I want you to take a look at. The average spawn is 237 bars that spawn at a federal event. Hopefully, you suddenly figured out why we're so "what the fuck" at the numbers right now. There is no bias here, you just don't want to believe what the numbers are showing because suddenly you're on the winning side and don't want that to end. We had no problem explaining why we were winning as civilians and that eventually, it would come to an end. As for balance, I think a good start would be curtailing the armored and Ghosthawk waves. After that, I'd like to see some of the general number stacking discouraged on both factions. Civilians shouldn't need 25 dudes to be regularly competitive just because they know the APD will no doubt stack seniors and merge channels. Whether that means an in-game system to discourage the civilians and an out of game system for the APD I'm not sure.

Yup, even when we used the fancy Blackfish/hemmt tricks to get the gold out, the counters/roaches with titans or just the APD with the Ghosthawk eventually shut that down pretty fast. And that was with probably the best Blackfish pilot I've seen, without @Civak we would have got fucked a large portion of the time. So that trick, in general, is pretty unreasonable to rely on for the rest of the community. I don't really have a solution to fix getting the gold out beyond "get good". We can't really force the APD to not spam Ghosthawks and armored waves, but it's clearly an issue so I think between the civ council, the APD and the staff we need to look seriously at how we can balance things a little better than they are now.