Trump vs Biden vote

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1 minute ago, NokiaStrong said:

I’m in an ap economics class lol

AP ECONOMICS! NO WAY! U MUST BE A GENIUS! high school economics classes teach u little to nothing about economic policies and how they affect a country. i had to learn this shit myself i suggest u  do the same because if u look a little closer at the statistics such as GDP, unemployment rates and salary growth under each president’s administration, you’ll realize anyone with laissez faire policies has had a far more healthy economy during their term than those of opposite views. its pretty simple man im surprised a AP HIGH SCHOOL ECONOMICS TEACHER didnt teach u that

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13 minutes ago, swervy said:

ahahha im just frustrated that u guys are so misinformed on politics because people like u are the reason i might not be able to start a profitable business when i graduate. i called u a moron over a video game forum buddy try and have some thicker skin

Ok.  Gonna go tell mommy and go crie. 

[PoptartRex 3292]

4 minutes ago, swervy said:

@PoptartRex @NokiaStrong sometimes i wish that biden would win just so yall can see how wrong you are. i understand yall never learned basic economics because they dont teach it in school but when you make it harder for businesses to operate and remain profitable by taxing them at a higher rate, they will reduce employee salaries, fire people, raise the price of their product/service in order to remain profitable/ compensate for taxes. when doing this u are reducing the value of goods by raising the price of it. that means more money for less stuff. if u look at obama/biden’s 8 years in office, wages  and the GDP were down and unemployment was up. a pretty obvious indicator for whether an economy is doing well. when trump went in office things got much better. u cant deny his policies havent made this country far more economically prosperous, and its the same when u look at any country”/ economic policies.

The GDP actually went up with Obama in office, after the 2008 recession under Bush, and unemployment made a return back down to under what it was before the recession as well in 2015. 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193290/unemployment-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Trump was doing a great job at actually maintaining these trends, already set by the Obama administration, until of course COVID hit.

A LOT of leftist fully blame Trump on Covid. It would have been impossible for anyone to maintain the same trends with covid, but where Trump failed was being able to at least recover some of his economic work by doing better at handling the virus. 

Now unemployment is in an area where it cannot be recover for likely at least the next decade. Instead of handling COVID with better protections, we were promised a vaccine by the election that is, you guessed it, not here yet. 

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Gonna go crie now. Gonna tell mommy on you. 

[swrvy 1807]

@Bubbaloo Burrito dude why cant you talk about politics at all? all you’re doing is whining and saying i called u names. like are u just uninformed on these topics or are u genuinely scared im gonna say something mean to u? i atleast have respect for @PoptartRex for researching this stuff before picking a candidate even though i disagree with him policy wise.

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7 minutes ago, swervy said:

AP ECONOMICS! NO WAY! U MUST BE A GENIUS! high school economics classes teach u little to nothing about economic policies and how they affect a country. i had to learn this shit myself i suggest u  do the same because if u look a little closer at the statistics such as GDP, unemployment rates and salary growth under each president’s administration, you’ll realize anyone with laissez faire policies has had a far more healthy economy during their term than those of opposite views. its pretty simple man im surprised a AP HIGH SCHOOL ECONOMICS TEACHER didnt teach u that

ah yes someone with a college degree teaching a college level course who has won numerous national awards or someone who did a lil googling. Sounds about right.

laissez faire doesnt work, if the country slips into rescission were doomed for years, price and wages are not flexible. 

the whole course is about how different policy's affect the economy lol

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Just now, swervy said:

@Bubbaloo Burrito dude why cant you talk about politics at all? all you’re doing is whining and saying i called u names. like are u just uninformed on these topics or are u genuinely scared im gonna say something mean to u? i atleast have respect for @PoptartRex for researching this stuff before picking a candidate even though i disagree with him policy wise.

I’m just giving you a hard time for being an ass to people that disagree with you. I’m not a political aficionado but I made sure to make an informed decision and casted my vote. 
I don’t feel like debating but do like to comment when people try to shove their political preferences down our throats. I rather go back to complaining about how aPd iS oP and how civil council is going to try to keep nerfing them. 
Also. Not a kid. Twice your age and have a great career. I’m not running away because I got bullied on a video game forums like @Gunhand. 

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Idc who wins I just want this “Giant douche vs. Turd Sandwich” shit to be over. 

[JuanDeaged 1434]

If you look at unemployment rates in the US Obama brought them way back down after the recession and trump simply maintained it till COVID obviously 

[swrvy 1807]

4 minutes ago, PoptartRex said:

The GDP actually went up with Obama in office, after the 2008 recession under Bush, and unemployment made a return back down to under what it was before the recession as well in 2015. 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193290/unemployment-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Trump was doing a great job at actually maintaining these trends, already set by the Obama administration, until of course COVID hit.

A LOT of leftist fully blame Trump on Covid. It would have been impossible for anyone to maintain the same trends with covid, but where Trump failed was being able to at least recover some of his economic work by doing better at handling the virus. 

Now unemployment is in an area where it cannot be recover for likely at least the next decade. Instead of handling COVID with better protections, we were promised a vaccine by the election that is, you guessed it, not here yet. 

this is exactly why this election is so important. you have trump, who created one the strongest economies in modern history (lowest unemployment rates, highest gdp, highest wage growth) and biden who is obviously gonna hurt our economy which is already suffering badly due to covid. i just want everyone to be able to make an honest living and thats why i gotta vote trump

[NokiaStrong 1170]

2 minutes ago, swervy said:

this is exactly why this election is so important. you have trump, who created one the strongest economies in modern history (lowest unemployment rates, highest gdp, highest wage growth) and biden who is obviously gonna hurt our economy which is already suffering badly due to covid. i just want everyone to be able to make an honest living and thats why i gotta vote trump

See I agree Biden might cause slight loss in gdp long term but currently democrats are the one pushing a stronger stimulus bill while gop avoiding the issue.

[swrvy 1807]

1 minute ago, NokiaStrong said:

See I agree Biden might cause slight loss in gdp long term but currently democrats are the one pushing a stronger stimulus bill while gop avoiding the issue.

dude the latest stimulus deal was turned down because nancy pelosi wouldnt let it pass without adding a bunch of extra stuff

 

11 minutes ago, NokiaStrong said:

ah yes someone with a college degree teaching a college level course who has won numerous national awards or someone who did a lil googling. Sounds about right.

laissez faire doesnt work, if the country slips into rescission were doomed for years, price and wages are not flexible. 

the whole course is about how different policy's affect the economy lol

im in my junior year studying international business in college but doing my own research ive learned more about economics and foreign trade policies than i ever did in a school course

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1 hour ago, PoptartRex said:

And that right there buddy just showed me you are reading straight out of the GOP Bible.

 

The classic “Venezuela” case LMAO. Of course Venezuela is a shithole with socialism. A country ridden with corruption and foreign interference from the US itself is bound to be in the shitter.

 

How about you take a look at the Nordic countries? You know, where it’s a LOT more civilized than Venezuela, having less corruption and foreign interference down to a minimum since there are an ally to the US. 
 

Let’s go one step further now and go ahead and compare how right Biden’s policies are compared to democratic socialists as well. He’s no Bernie or AOC, so comparing to a socialist country is a mute point all together. 

Yeah and there is a reason every socialist's country has a shit GDP compared to America 

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Either way the memes are going to be great.

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1 hour ago, PoptartRex said:

And that right there buddy just showed me you are reading straight out of the GOP Bible.

 

The classic “Venezuela” case LMAO. Of course Venezuela is a shithole with socialism. A country ridden with corruption and foreign interference from the US itself is bound to be in the shitter.

 

How about you take a look at the Nordic countries? You know, where it’s a LOT more civilized than Venezuela, having less corruption and foreign interference down to a minimum since there are an ally to the US. 
 

Let’s go one step further now and go ahead and compare how right Biden’s policies are compared to democratic socialists as well. He’s no Bernie or AOC, so comparing to a socialist country is a mute point all together. 

Even so, take a look at their tax rates. Unified healthcare, and the perks of Socialism are nice but being from a purely socialist country I can't help but wonder why some people would prefer it. 

I do understand the benefits of it, but wait times for medical care and paying taxes much more heavily isn't anywhere near desirable for most Americans. 

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20 minutes ago, vedalkenn said:

Even so, take a look at their tax rates. Unified healthcare, and the perks of Socialism are nice but being from a purely socialist country I can't help but wonder why some people would prefer it. 

I do understand the benefits of it, but wait times for medical care and paying taxes much more heavily isn't anywhere near desirable for most Americans. 

I agree with that. I think subsidized healthcare would be better for most countries that are suffering from financially or high wait times. Would cut down on taxes while keeping healthcare affordable and people who are healthy and rarely need medical aid won't be stressed financially. I understand free healthcare, but I believe subsidized would be a better balance.

[PoptartRex 3292]

11 minutes ago, vedalkenn said:

Even so, take a look at their tax rates. Unified healthcare, and the perks of Socialism are nice but being from a purely socialist country I can't help but wonder why some people would prefer it. 

I do understand the benefits of it, but wait times for medical care and paying taxes much more heavily isn't anywhere near desirable for most Americans. 

I find the most preferable option would be healthily regulated capitalist economy with efficient safety nets for Americans. 

Wait times for medical care in other countries are very comparable to the wait times that already exist for Americans currently, but even assuming higher wait times, are we really saying that you'd rather be worried about having to wait a little longer for an ear infection than about having to pay the fee for an ambulance because of a broken leg? Assuming unified healthcare through the government, a LOT of Americans could be saving money by paying a little more on taxes than paying a nice premium for decent health insurance .

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32 minutes ago, PoptartRex said:

I find the most preferable option would be healthily regulated capitalist economy with efficient safety nets for Americans. 

^^^

Well regulated Capitalism is the best economic policy 

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47 minutes ago, PoptartRex said:

Assuming unified healthcare through the government, a LOT of Americans could be saving money by paying a little more on taxes than paying a nice premium for decent health insurance .

I promise, when I broke my finger and waited for hours back home unified healthcare proved to me that it wasn't worth it.

When my father had to wait to months to get approved, then went an extra month for a lung surgery he desperately needed, unified healthcare proved once again that it was shit. 

I'm Canadian I fucking despise the healthcare system, like I said it's not bad paying the extra taxes but with it there are much more hidden fees and things that go into it. It's not as great as everybody seems to think it is. But that's just my personal opinion on it.

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4 hours ago, JuanDeaged said:

Bro u haven’t even had ur first pube tf u know about politics. 

Ur life is school and arma

U do know I'm almost 16 rite? And i do believe if I want to know more about politics and our country it is my right to do so. Idk why your so mad that I made a poll asking people's opinions lol

[Mudiwa 772]

The bomos Caliphate has voted third party this year for Kanye West. We believe he has the ability to import many children of fighting age to our island (10-13). He also promised me a better computer so i dont need to use lemons and coal as a GPU, Inshallah vote Kanye2020

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4 hours ago, NokiaStrong said:

He let congress go during a global pandemic while American family's are grieving loved ones and being evicted from they homes

99.99 chance of survival but 200k+ American lives have been lost to it and we are in no sight of slowing down.

japan has 1/3 of our population and is 3x more densely populated but dispite this they have less than 1/200th the amount of deaths and no major economic slow down

why? 

cause they dont bitch about wearing a mask

Yeah you are correct they don't bitch about masks because before Covid they would wear masks commonly because of the pollution on their cities. They have always worn masks, and while I do agree you should wear masks it isn't going to solve everything. Plenty of countries that seem to have "a lot less cases of covid" just aren't doing nearly as much testing as the US is doing.

It was deemed unconstitutional to try and enforce people to wear masks, so that can't happen.

It was stated by the World Health Organization advised that lockdowns are not needed and should only be used as a last resort. In reality majority of people are not dying from the actual virus "Covid-19" but from other thing such as diabetes, heart issues, etc. Which is predominant in elderly people. It hardly affects younger people, unless they have symptoms like those which then they should take caution. I personally am immune suppressed due to having a autoimmune disease in my eye (Pars planitis Uveitis) and the medication I take shuts down my immune system. I personally am not worried about the virus nearly as much as people that have absolutely nothing to worry about. In reality locking down the country is not the way to go about this, open up the economy, stores, business', etc. and the people who can be harmed by the virus should isolate themselves.

As Biden stated: he wants to enforce plexi glass in restaurants, stores, etc. Which is really expensive to do. Business' would spend fortunes on it, and if the Government was funding it then it would be a enormous amount of money gone for no reason. Plexi glass isn't needed. 

Yes, people should wear masks, but you cannot enforce them to do so.

But in reality, this virus came out of nowhere and on a massive scale that no one was ready for. The virus was leaked by Chinese journalists and Scientists and now they have all turned up dead or missing. You cannot pin the entirety of the virus spread on Trump like so many people are. He closed the borders to China and the UK pretty quickly. We didn't have nearly enough ventilators, masks, etc. to take care of all the people that were arriving at hospitals. We were underprepared and no one expected this to happen so we couldn't have been ready. The virus was so new that no one knew anything about it, we all assumed it was extremely deadly when it first was announced, now its not. It took time to study the virus, to learn how its spread, to learn the lethality of it, to learn how contagious it is, learn cures for it, learn the symptoms of it, etc. That all takes time to do and the virus was spreading swiftly while we knew nothing about it. We have the highest numbers of tests than any other country for Covid, im sure plently of other countries are a lot worse then they seem but they aren't testing as much. The more we test the more we are finding people positive for Covid. In China they were executing people with the virus at first, and locking them up. You cannot blame the entire thing on Trump.

I would also like to point out, have you noticed anything about the corona virus when the BLM protests were happening? Nothing was being said whilst those were occuring, but they were whenever there were Trump rallies that occured.

The stimulus checks I don't believe were ever done before which helped many people, and there were pandemics like the swine flu, the spanish flu, etc. which btw were a lot more deadlier than this virus.

Trump offered $1.8 trillion for the econimic relief act which Nancy declined. They wanted $2.2 trillion and they didn't get that so Nancy Pelosi got upset and denied it. Not to mention a lot of the stuff in this Economic relief act are scuffed, have nothing to do with the virus, etc. that was created by Pelosi and dems of the house. I recommend reading it if you haven't already.

4 hours ago, PoptartRex said:

Instead of handling COVID with better protections, we were promised a vaccine by the election that is, you guessed it, not here yet. 

A vaccine would be wonderful, whether it is later down the road or now. I would rather have them test it and be sure than giving it out to the public without knowing all the side effects. Do you get the flu shot? I know I do, especially being immune suppressed. Stuff like vaccines take time, you don't want to rush companies to just spew something out there not knowing everything about it. If it was a successful vaccine, then maybe we wouldn't need to wear masks, stay 6ft apart, etc. Who knows, but in reality I do believe that Trump is trying to help with the virus, but it isn't all in his power and he doesn't control everything. 

 

TLDR:

It wasn't only Trump's fault that the virus is as bad as it is right now and he can't do everything you expect him to do.

 

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21 minutes ago, Millennium said:

TLDR:

It wasn't only Trump's fault that the virus is as bad as it is right now and he can't do everything you expect him to do.

Agreed - something as mountainous as a worldwide pandemic is not one mans fault. That said - I think his handling of it was poor nonetheless. The encouragement away from mask wearing, the distrust in scientist and medical professionals, and over-zealousness on banking on an early vaccine as the only prevention was NOT the way to handle it. 
 

Trump wanted to drain the “swamp” - but when the swamp contains scientists and educated professionals, it kind of defeats the point of wanting to rid of corrupt politicians and just makes it looks like we’re getting a corrupt businessman in office instead of a corrupt politician 

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