HOW MANY HOURS DID WINTERS PLAY LAST WEEK?

[SPBojo 6863]

15 minutes ago, Lucien said:

Yeah I mean I can see both sides of the argument but those people are also the ones who show the most "responsibility" or whatever to be staff so it's not surprising faction heads get staff

No staff should be senior of a faction at all, you shouldnt be allowed to touch both.

As for show the most responsibilty, yes but the people that "show the most responsibilty" are also having mental breakdowns over having to play arma for 10 hours with their own faction.

[The Antichrist 237]

5 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

No staff should be senior of a faction at all, you shouldnt be allowed to touch both.

As for show the most responsibilty, yes but the people that "show the most responsibilty" are also having mental breakdowns over having to play arma for 10 hours with their own faction.

Incidentally I also feel the same way about CC and staff.

[SPBojo 6863]

6 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

Incidentally I also feel the same way about CC and staff.

I mean, only Walt is CC and staff

[The Antichrist 237]

4 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

I mean, only Walt is CC and staff

I advised him that was unwise for the representative of the playerbase to become staff and how that would be a huge conflict of interest.  He agreed... at the time lol. 

[SPBojo 6863]

2 minutes ago, The Sovereign said:

I advised him that was unwise for the representative of the playerbase to become staff and how that would be a huge conflict of interest.  He agreed... at the time lol. 

Things change

I can see where you are coming from but I'd have to disagree to a extent, its not like Civilian Council interacts with Civilians in a way that APD or R&R does to even the slighest, majority of the time unless someone is driving a civ council hatchback or using a civ council title in-game you probably couldn't even tell if they are civ council without prior knowledge. Whilst Civilian Council does "affect" civilians its not to the same extent a whitelisted role does. Civilian Council is there to "fight" for the civilians and i feel that's something anyone can do and even current outside of Civilian Council staff does, just look at millennium when he was staff as a prime example. 

 

Besides, who would replace our beloved Walter

[The Antichrist 237]

5 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

Things change

I can see where you are coming from but I'd have to disagree to a extent, its not like Civilian Council interacts with Civilians in a way that APD or R&R does to even the slighest, majority of the time unless someone is driving a civ council hatchback or using a civ council title in-game you probably couldn't even tell if they are civ council without prior knowledge. Whilst Civilian Council does "affect" civilians its not to the same extent a whitelisted role does. Civilian Council is there to "fight" for the civilians and i feel that's something anyone can do and even current outside of Civilian Council staff does, just look at millennium when he was staff as a prime example. 

 

Besides, who would replace our beloved Walter

I'm not saying he's bad for or at either job, simply that the existence of both creates a conflict of interest that devalues the trust and faith that players put into the system itself.  

There are subtle ways it erodes at the confidence.  Say like all of CC wants something implemented, and the person he'd have to argue for it is in charge of if he gets admin or not, which deincentivises him to fight as hard for said implementation for fear of it effecting his staff career.  I have no reason to believe something like this has or had happened, but it's very easy to imagine, and is just a simplified example.

[ThatNerdyGuy 5914]

9 hours ago, nicole said:

You do not have to put 10 hours in-game every week. From what has been explained to me by @ Winters  is as long as you're getting desk work done, meaning doing tests and doing the IAs assigned to you (pretty much anything out of game), you do not really need to have 10 hours in-game. Now let's say you don't do any desk work but you like playing in-game, then yes, you'll need to put in 10 hours minimum. That being said, very few seniors only play in-game; the majority do desk work and put in a fair share of in-game time, which in that case is all good. There are a few people who are due to move up, and this will help identify the people who are over ArmA or are over being Senior APD, and that is okay, but they should give other people a chance to move up and achieve their goals.

I hope I made sense. I am willing to answer more questions, but realistically, this won't change very much and, in fact, will be very good for the people putting in the effort but cannot move up due to the lack of slots.

If the question is finding who is over Arma or Senior APD I think the answer can be found from the man who implemented the rule as to whether he’s over the game or not. It’s a goddamn embarrassment to not play the game at all as the leader of the faction. Hypocrisy at its finest on display. I’ve always liked @ Winters  but in the interest of what’s right he should give the reigns to someone else. And if he’s not sure or not trusting of who’s around him to do so then that’s a failure on him as he’s the one who picks who is the closest to the top. 
 

For context I missed my times like twice as a senior and that was nearly 3 years of it. When I knew it was time I told him and @ Mako  . That was it, and that has been nearly two years. So if in that time there isn’t a capable successor then that’s a failure on him. 

1 hour ago, The Sovereign said:

Coming from left field here, as I have little to no understanding of apd history and politics... Why cant nerdy just be chief?

Nerdy doesn’t want Chief and nor does he have the time for it. 

[The Antichrist 237]

18 minutes ago, ThatNerdyGuy said:

Nerdy doesn’t want Chief and nor does he have the time for it. 

Great men don't seek power.  It is thrust upon him.   Take his dog hostage or something.  We can thrust the power upon you.

[Christoph 159]

I'm not gonna lie, I was not wanting to post my opinion or response here. In all honesty I wanted to just lay-low play on here and maybe work my way up the ranks and build a new rep. (rather the old shitty one I have)

In my time playing here and my vast experience around a lot of places I will give my 2cense on what I think should happen and my opinion across the board.

Disclaimer alert. Winters is someone I would consider a good friend, this is no attack on him or anyone at all mentioned during this, I will try to remain as neutral and bias as possible with the known information I have available to me. That being said if you disagree with what i have to say then feel free to tell me and why ill happily listen.

APD

The Problem

As it stands, 10Hours a WEEK for Sapd is ridiculous considering it is being imposed on the faction now. If it was already a thing in the past it is more understandable but I'm guessing during a meeting Ryan told Winters/dep chiefs that Sapd need to be more interactive with Jr APD and to lead by example, in which the way around this that was suggested and implemented is a heavy hour requirement. Sure this is 1 way of doing this but maybe not the correct or needed way for the current time.

 

Let me tell you why 10 hours a week will never work if you want to increase activity/interaction with Jr APD and overall motivation. On another community called ANZUS their hour requirements for whitelisted factions (Cop and medic) are a bit differnt.

in a nutshell: 10Hours+ every 2 weeks marks you active (this has recently changed tho) 5-9 Hours is Semi-active and anything under 5 is inactive.

The important thing to note is this is General Ops so basically Jr APD on here. The specialised departments with the cool shit and better equipment (Sapd over here) must hit 10hours every week. 10 hours a week for some people who never touch grass is piss easy. 10 hours a week for people who have relationships to manage, jobs to keep them alive with this economy rn and people who don't piggy bank of mommy and daddy's bank account tends to crank up the pressure by 10x This being said some people manage it others do not. 

In simple terms. DO NOT enforce 10 hours a week for people who, at the end of the day, want to play a video game that gives them some joy and satisfaction with friends or even make new friends whilst doing it. YOU ARE WORKING A PART TIME JOB this is coming from someone who was forced to put in 10hours a week for 6+months. it is not acceptable or sustainable it is just a short handed way to remove people in positions because you cant or wont remove them for anything else and they are just holding up a spot that someone else could take.

Now with regards to Jr APD interaction, when i first played here to now i have seen a difference already. Matter of fact Shout out too the retired sapd guys who have been playing with me (jr APD) more than some Cpls/Sapd. Don't get me wrong their are some Cpls and Sapd who i have seen nearly every day get on and play and they are the real hero's icl (when im a deputy or Po killing myself at a 9am fed by AZOV or TP).

The truth is no matter what people will complain about sapd not being able to interact with lower ranks enough or not being around etc and that is 70% due to only being about 14 people strong in a 90+ member faction. Po Joe Swanson is not going to be remembered as well enough as Sgt Yakgod who was seen logging on the exact same time and day as Po Joe but people will say Yakgod is inactive or not putting in his times when Po joe has put in 15+ hours but only been playing in the morning with Yakgod. This in mind im not defending saying they are all gods and active etc etc. I do agree with Bojo that some do just play in hidden channels all day long and avoid Jr APD which is quite a shame tbh but their is also always 2 sides to the case (sometimes myself included I just want to play with my friends for a bit to cheer me up or have a laugh, plus I know I can let loose a bit and not have to be always professional etc)

 

The Solution

Bye bye winters. Sorry but it is needed at this rate.

Cm and Chief is a conflict of interest 1 has to go (if he wants too that is) and tbh like mentioned i just dont see mako as an amazing fit for chief. He has kept the boat sailing as CM why get rid of a good CM when you can have both?

Caden i cant comment on as i have not really seen him much around to play with him.

Im not gonna carry this on cuz ill be here for ever. 

Simple thing too do is open up LOI's. Have Ryan manage and be the head off the process. He will select some individuals of his choosing (who will NOT be announced to people and will try to abstain from bias and opinion)

• Lois will be open to lets say Cpl+ 
• A 72hour period to allow submission
• Ryan with his selected people will go over the candidates and do a Yes, maybe, no vote
• Those with majority yes votes will move onto the interview stage
• Must be interviewed by Ryan and 1 other member he has selected
• Once all done they will do a final vote/decision
• Next chief appointed

The Reason it is Cpl+ is to help allow possible progression into the Sapd. Their is a very low chance a Cpl will get Chief but if he does a really good job overall then he can be looked at for Sapd

 

This brings me onto my second point for improvement. Open up Cpl LOI's and Sgt LOI's to allow Po's and Cpls to be looked at for promo so Sapd can have a big list of people that want too progress and can be looked at extra carefully. It also means they have to gain an opinion on them, vote and explain why they voted the way they did and finally give them a shot at the Cpl/Sgt test too see if they have the knowledge to uphold the rank.

 

I'm gonna end it here cuz its a lot and I wanna play OW now. Yet again feel free to comment and voice your opinions

[JDC 302]

31 minutes ago, Christoph said:

I'm not gonna lie, I was not wanting to post my opinion or response here. In all honesty I wanted to just lay-low play on here and maybe work my way up the ranks and build a new rep. (rather the old shitty one I have)

In my time playing here and my vast experience around a lot of places I will give my 2cense on what I think should happen and my opinion across the board.

Disclaimer alert. Winters is someone I would consider a good friend, this is no attack on him or anyone at all mentioned during this, I will try to remain as neutral and bias as possible with the known information I have available to me. That being said if you disagree with what i have to say then feel free to tell me and why ill happily listen.

APD

The Problem

As it stands, 10Hours a WEEK for Sapd is ridiculous considering it is being imposed on the faction now. If it was already a thing in the past it is more understandable but I'm guessing during a meeting Ryan told Winters/dep chiefs that Sapd need to be more interactive with Jr APD and to lead by example, in which the way around this that was suggested and implemented is a heavy hour requirement. Sure this is 1 way of doing this but maybe not the correct or needed way for the current time.

 

Let me tell you why 10 hours a week will never work if you want to increase activity/interaction with Jr APD and overall motivation. On another community called ANZUS their hour requirements for whitelisted factions (Cop and medic) are a bit differnt.

in a nutshell: 10Hours+ every 2 weeks marks you active (this has recently changed tho) 5-9 Hours is Semi-active and anything under 5 is inactive.

The important thing to note is this is General Ops so basically Jr APD on here. The specialised departments with the cool shit and better equipment (Sapd over here) must hit 10hours every week. 10 hours a week for some people who never touch grass is piss easy. 10 hours a week for people who have relationships to manage, jobs to keep them alive with this economy rn and people who don't piggy bank of mommy and daddy's bank account tends to crank up the pressure by 10x This being said some people manage it others do not. 

In simple terms. DO NOT enforce 10 hours a week for people who, at the end of the day, want to play a video game that gives them some joy and satisfaction with friends or even make new friends whilst doing it. YOU ARE WORKING A PART TIME JOB this is coming from someone who was forced to put in 10hours a week for 6+months. it is not acceptable or sustainable it is just a short handed way to remove people in positions because you cant or wont remove them for anything else and they are just holding up a spot that someone else could take.

Now with regards to Jr APD interaction, when i first played here to now i have seen a difference already. Matter of fact Shout out too the retired sapd guys who have been playing with me (jr APD) more than some Cpls/Sapd. Don't get me wrong their are some Cpls and Sapd who i have seen nearly every day get on and play and they are the real hero's icl (when im a deputy or Po killing myself at a 9am fed by AZOV or TP).

The truth is no matter what people will complain about sapd not being able to interact with lower ranks enough or not being around etc and that is 70% due to only being about 14 people strong in a 90+ member faction. Po Joe Swanson is not going to be remembered as well enough as Sgt Yakgod who was seen logging on the exact same time and day as Po Joe but people will say Yakgod is inactive or not putting in his times when Po joe has put in 15+ hours but only been playing in the morning with Yakgod. This in mind im not defending saying they are all gods and active etc etc. I do agree with Bojo that some do just play in hidden channels all day long and avoid Jr APD which is quite a shame tbh but their is also always 2 sides to the case (sometimes myself included I just want to play with my friends for a bit to cheer me up or have a laugh, plus I know I can let loose a bit and not have to be always professional etc)

 

The Solution

Bye bye winters. Sorry but it is needed at this rate.

Cm and Chief is a conflict of interest 1 has to go (if he wants too that is) and tbh like mentioned i just dont see mako as an amazing fit for chief. He has kept the boat sailing as CM why get rid of a good CM when you can have both?

Caden i cant comment on as i have not really seen him much around to play with him.

Im not gonna carry this on cuz ill be here for ever. 

Simple thing too do is open up LOI's. Have Ryan manage and be the head off the process. He will select some individuals of his choosing (who will NOT be announced to people and will try to abstain from bias and opinion)

• Lois will be open to lets say Cpl+ 
• A 72hour period to allow submission
• Ryan with his selected people will go over the candidates and do a Yes, maybe, no vote
• Those with majority yes votes will move onto the interview stage
• Must be interviewed by Ryan and 1 other member he has selected
• Once all done they will do a final vote/decision
• Next chief appointed

The Reason it is Cpl+ is to help allow possible progression into the Sapd. Their is a very low chance a Cpl will get Chief but if he does a really good job overall then he can be looked at for Sapd

 

This brings me onto my second point for improvement. Open up Cpl LOI's and Sgt LOI's to allow Po's and Cpls to be looked at for promo so Sapd can have a big list of people that want too progress and can be looked at extra carefully. It also means they have to gain an opinion on them, vote and explain why they voted the way they did and finally give them a shot at the Cpl/Sgt test too see if they have the knowledge to uphold the rank.

 

I'm gonna end it here cuz its a lot and I wanna play OW now. Yet again feel free to comment and voice your opinions

Can’t +1 this enough. Agree 100%

[nicole 808]

3 hours ago, Lucien said:

I'm confused as to why being allowed to do 0 desk work is allowed in the first place, I can understand if it's a slow week and there is nothing to do but the point of being a senior is to do the desk work

This whole change is to encourage more desk work, don't do desk work okay then go play 10 hours as your minimum. Does desk work okay your minimums are now 4-6 hours. Desk work has always been required, I am fairly certain the requirement was 2-3 OICs a week. 

[Hawkgnewaccount 2]

rexo for chief 

3 hours ago, SPBojo said:

No staff should be senior of a faction at all, you shouldnt be allowed to touch both.

ive been saying this shit bruh

[Noble 1832]

18 minutes ago, Hawkgnewaccount said:

rexo for chief 

ive been saying this shit bruh

rexo is a mod.

 

Also I find it hilarious you all are ranting to a guy who will never see it because he's too inactive but for the record I agree fuck you @ Winters

wait till you find out he's a ginger...

[Karma 476]

1 hour ago, Noble said:

wait till you find out he's a ginger...

I was gonna stay out of it but if this is true information there must be something done. Maybe like a hair dye or something? If he refuses we coup him it's quite simple.

[KermitZooicide 269]

1 hour ago, Noble said:

wait till you find out he's a ginger...

[T5 bugeater 91]

defund the apd

[ZimZim 258]

I heard @ N9ne- wants to become Chief 

[NokiaStrong 1199]

@ Rexo FOR CHIEF 

[Moonini 165]

5 hours ago, Christoph said:

I'm not gonna lie, I was not wanting to post my opinion or response here. In all honesty I wanted to just lay-low play on here and maybe work my way up the ranks and build a new rep. (rather the old shitty one I have)

In my time playing here and my vast experience around a lot of places I will give my 2cense on what I think should happen and my opinion across the board.

Disclaimer alert. Winters is someone I would consider a good friend, this is no attack on him or anyone at all mentioned during this, I will try to remain as neutral and bias as possible with the known information I have available to me. That being said if you disagree with what i have to say then feel free to tell me and why ill happily listen.

APD

The Problem

As it stands, 10Hours a WEEK for Sapd is ridiculous considering it is being imposed on the faction now. If it was already a thing in the past it is more understandable but I'm guessing during a meeting Ryan told Winters/dep chiefs that Sapd need to be more interactive with Jr APD and to lead by example, in which the way around this that was suggested and implemented is a heavy hour requirement. Sure this is 1 way of doing this but maybe not the correct or needed way for the current time.

 

Let me tell you why 10 hours a week will never work if you want to increase activity/interaction with Jr APD and overall motivation. On another community called ANZUS their hour requirements for whitelisted factions (Cop and medic) are a bit differnt.

in a nutshell: 10Hours+ every 2 weeks marks you active (this has recently changed tho) 5-9 Hours is Semi-active and anything under 5 is inactive.

The important thing to note is this is General Ops so basically Jr APD on here. The specialised departments with the cool shit and better equipment (Sapd over here) must hit 10hours every week. 10 hours a week for some people who never touch grass is piss easy. 10 hours a week for people who have relationships to manage, jobs to keep them alive with this economy rn and people who don't piggy bank of mommy and daddy's bank account tends to crank up the pressure by 10x This being said some people manage it others do not. 

In simple terms. DO NOT enforce 10 hours a week for people who, at the end of the day, want to play a video game that gives them some joy and satisfaction with friends or even make new friends whilst doing it. YOU ARE WORKING A PART TIME JOB this is coming from someone who was forced to put in 10hours a week for 6+months. it is not acceptable or sustainable it is just a short handed way to remove people in positions because you cant or wont remove them for anything else and they are just holding up a spot that someone else could take.

Now with regards to Jr APD interaction, when i first played here to now i have seen a difference already. Matter of fact Shout out too the retired sapd guys who have been playing with me (jr APD) more than some Cpls/Sapd. Don't get me wrong their are some Cpls and Sapd who i have seen nearly every day get on and play and they are the real hero's icl (when im a deputy or Po killing myself at a 9am fed by AZOV or TP).

The truth is no matter what people will complain about sapd not being able to interact with lower ranks enough or not being around etc and that is 70% due to only being about 14 people strong in a 90+ member faction. Po Joe Swanson is not going to be remembered as well enough as Sgt Yakgod who was seen logging on the exact same time and day as Po Joe but people will say Yakgod is inactive or not putting in his times when Po joe has put in 15+ hours but only been playing in the morning with Yakgod. This in mind im not defending saying they are all gods and active etc etc. I do agree with Bojo that some do just play in hidden channels all day long and avoid Jr APD which is quite a shame tbh but their is also always 2 sides to the case (sometimes myself included I just want to play with my friends for a bit to cheer me up or have a laugh, plus I know I can let loose a bit and not have to be always professional etc)

 

The Solution

Bye bye winters. Sorry but it is needed at this rate.

Cm and Chief is a conflict of interest 1 has to go (if he wants too that is) and tbh like mentioned i just dont see mako as an amazing fit for chief. He has kept the boat sailing as CM why get rid of a good CM when you can have both?

Caden i cant comment on as i have not really seen him much around to play with him.

Im not gonna carry this on cuz ill be here for ever. 

Simple thing too do is open up LOI's. Have Ryan manage and be the head off the process. He will select some individuals of his choosing (who will NOT be announced to people and will try to abstain from bias and opinion)

• Lois will be open to lets say Cpl+ 
• A 72hour period to allow submission
• Ryan with his selected people will go over the candidates and do a Yes, maybe, no vote
• Those with majority yes votes will move onto the interview stage
• Must be interviewed by Ryan and 1 other member he has selected
• Once all done they will do a final vote/decision
• Next chief appointed

The Reason it is Cpl+ is to help allow possible progression into the Sapd. Their is a very low chance a Cpl will get Chief but if he does a really good job overall then he can be looked at for Sapd

 

This brings me onto my second point for improvement. Open up Cpl LOI's and Sgt LOI's to allow Po's and Cpls to be looked at for promo so Sapd can have a big list of people that want too progress and can be looked at extra carefully. It also means they have to gain an opinion on them, vote and explain why they voted the way they did and finally give them a shot at the Cpl/Sgt test too see if they have the knowledge to uphold the rank.

 

I'm gonna end it here cuz its a lot and I wanna play OW now. Yet again feel free to comment and voice your opinions

sheesh save it for a publisher

[Hoonter 232]

All I am reading is people not enjoying a game anymore if you aren't having fun than move on. I played 40 hours on another thing this last week because it's fun if you can't meet min of 10 a week than you clearly either need an LOA or to move on

Edited April 24, 2023 by Hoonter

[Claysive 1479]

17 hours ago, Frato said:

The leader of a faction should not be allowed to just never log on. @ Ryan

You're preaching to the wrong person here. @ Ryan  doesn't even log on. 

[Legendary 201]

25 minutes ago, Hoonter said:

All I am reading is people not enjoying a game anymore if you aren't having fun than move on. I played 40 hours of cop on another server this last week because it's fun if you can't meet min of 10 a week than you clearly either need an LOA or to move on

can you tell them to give me your sgt whitelist?

[Hoonter 232]

30 minutes ago, Legendary said:

can you tell them to give me your sgt whitelist?

Hmmm?

[Grandma Gary 10477]

16 hours ago, The Sovereign said:

I advised him that was unwise for the representative of the playerbase to become staff and how that would be a huge conflict of interest.  He agreed... at the time lol. 

Majority of present and past staff have come though either APD and R&R simply because it give you a platform for visibility.  Walt and Mason are currently the only 2 staff who aren't former seniors of a faction, even Millennium though he was an APD rat started batting for team civ.

I'd counter that making mod without going though a faction only makes representing the playerbase more advantageous.

As for SAPD sitting in channels not interacting with the lower lifeforms I completely understand why.  The johnson smooching can get quite intense.  It's why I don't talk to the mods.

[Mighty 1404]

35 minutes ago, Grandma Gary said:

Walt and Mason are currently the only 2 staff who aren't former seniors of a faction