-dante-

In a perfect world.. lmao. Personally the most important thing for me is that if you would get banned on civ, then should also be carried the same way on APD. But yeah every incident should be noted. I doubt thats an issue though. But currently an APD member may be given a warning w/ no ban issued at the sAPD admin's discretion. Which is fine, as long as if that same person broke the rule on civ would be given the same treatment.

If they compensate heavily, no regular admin would ban them either 90% of the time. That’s the same case for civs as well. If you own up and fix the issue, you won’t get banned generally. That’s not really what would change or what the target issue is. The issue is that for example a Civ intentionally slams into another car and kills them, unless they’re brand new it is more times than not a ban and then it can be reduced after it’s talked about but now it’s on record and counts towards future bans. If an apd member does the exact same thing while playing cop, they shouldn’t be warned and have no record of rule breaking. We did it that way for many years and it never caused any issues. I’ve been on that side of the board. And when I was admins could ban an apd member if they broke rules. Then it would be sent to seniors and we’d handle the cop side of things. If seniors still want to only warn despite the ban - that’s obv fine and not anything near what I’d want to even discuss. It’s sAPD’s faction. How discipline on the cop side of things is handed out is completely your guys’ right. But they shouldn’t not get a ban for rule breaks just because they can get noted.

The reason it was asked was because Rexo was mentioning how much weight it would be for someone in the apd which could mean that it balances out a bit if they’ve been good prior without recent issues, rather than be banned. My point is that any rule a civ can be banned for, an apd member should also be and shouldn’t just be satisfied by a note. A lot more side bars that go along with that but we talked nonstop for a while. I ain’t typing all that lol

The poll was in reference to one of Rexos points he was making in why apd members may not face a ban when a civ would. I was just seeing how accurate his statement was.

For transparency, this is how it works: For APD related matters - All server rule and APD handbooks currently go to APD IA where an sAPD admin will handle the ticket. Non sAPD do not handle these reports in any way shape or form. For APD reports being a server rule - the APD punishment is based on merit, recent ban history, and the weight of what an APD note means on their names in regards to promotions and whatnot. Which so far in this poll, is proving @ Rexo 's point that APD members think that notes are worse than being banned. The counter argument made my several of you has been that non sAPD admins should handle these tickets to get away from bias reports and for fairness across the board. I wont get into each staff members' opinions because that is their right to give it to you if they would like. For me, I think transparency is one of the most important things Faction leaders and staff should present. I believe Admins that are not sAPD should have the right to handle these reports and then let sAPD handle the APD punishment. Rexo has made many great points to counter that, but that is where I am at. I think being consistent with all bans is most important. Theres more staff related opinion about processes I dont want to disclose but thats the general gist of it. Consistency, Fairness, and Transparency. That is what I want and what I believe is fair to our commumity.

i can fix one of em for ya >:D pull out an use your ghawk or die (ban)

It was like that once before, but its a bit different now.

The Poll has served its purpose, which was just to see the accuracy of a point made by Rexo. Staff have heard your concerns and are currently discussing both sides of the argument in relation to APD server rule breaks being handled by more than just sAPD Admins. Your opinions here matter, so please feel free to reply with your own points for either side. We want to make sure everyone is getting fair treatment across the board. (please do not vote if you are a career civ or havent been cop in a long time)

When I first joined the server and was trying to rank up as a medic, I failed my first test because I literally was thinking to pull back to lift (never flew lol) and went straight to the hospital. I went in editor and spawned like 50 or more Helis and kept flying. Aced my next test. At least that’s what a drunk @ Mercury told me

Shutup before I re create ballers on a budget again and make you join so we can troll caps

TBF this isnt every day unless theres federal events but when new promotions happen, the seniors who got new toys will play a lot and the junior APD will then want to play with them so you get a bigger swarm of players. It should settle a bit. But, also, there's only one server and cops have mandatory times to make each week. Tbf that was not his point. 20 cops regularly patrolling even split up means the entire map is locked down essentially. Cant control that people need/want to play tho

He was gone before I joined thankfully

Mass RDM

Prison changed you

I lasted 4 years in the real word tyvm

I agree with the fact that this would make being chief feel not worth my time. Being chief has so much shit to it outside of the game and being attacked nonstop by my own people would be my Que to go. I like @ Winters and being I see how much time and effort he puts in this the faction and the server unnoticed, I don’t share the same feeling as everyone else, but if he did/does feel disincentivized, that’s usually the que to see who should take over. But the root problem goes much deeper than Winters. There’s more retired sapd in here about a big topic than active sapd. Shouldn’t ever be the situation.

More notes; In the video Nicole posted, King seemed to freeze in place like he understood what he was doing was prob not okay. Again, lack of context. But that’s what I got out of it. I will scream this for all sAPD to hear - TRANSPARENCY. The entire community would appreciate the sAPD in a much broader way if they truly understood the processes happening behind the scenes. Some things are secretive for a reason, I know that very well. But right now there’s 0 transparency for the jAPD and the rest of the community. The outlook isn’t great and the opinions they’re coming up with make sense based on the information they are given. - This also includes all rules being transparent and available in the handbook. No APD rules should be enforced via PSAs. They should all be listed directly and clearly in the handbook. Friends should have a way harder time becoming sAPD than the regular corps who bust their ass. I know how dumb the sapd mentality can get where a PO/corp makes one mistake and is labeled as retarded forever before getting a chance. The way to fix that outlook is to play with the corporals and POs. I could think of a few corps already that would challenge the sAPD to think other ways and have been around a while. But probably don’t get played with regularly by sAPD. The process feels lazy and very word of mouth vs actual experience. This has become an attack people you don’t like thread. If anything, @ nicole being the only one with the balls (figuratively speaking) to be in here and speaking her opinions and going back and forth is more than pretty much any other senior is giving here. Ask genuine questions. Stop cat fighting. It could be productive if everyone put their egos away. @ Clashingtin is here too but we know the casino took his balls years ago

This is why it’s important for sAPD to give a shit about responding to these posts. Transparency and facts matter. All these things coupled together is a MUCH different perception than just the event situation in itself. With all of those facts, he would have likely been removed at a sooner date. Obviously King can still rebuttal against all of this, but OICs are the simple number facts about a Sgt’s desk duties. It’s pretty damning.