The Problems with the APD

[CaloomClark 1324]

4 minutes ago, Rossco said:

Trust us, it do be hard to get cool things passed 

Players from olympus are leaving, they leave and go play servers like anzus, they play cop on anzus, as you have almost the same gear as your most senior. Not saying deputies should get mk-1s. But i do think our server, which is losing cops e.g christopher walken to go and play anzus, should take a note of the things they do, and try improve what we have rn

[LULA 2022 - PT 13 490]

33 minutes ago, Zeuse said:

Would love to get more buffs for JrAPD

Corporal tier 3s make a comeback, promet and shotgun to PO, PD vest to deputies, prowler to PO, hellcat to Corp +.

[Rossco 1159]

1 minute ago, CaloomClark said:

Players from olympus are leaving, they leave and go play servers like anzus, they play cop on anzus, as you have almost the same gear as your most senior. Not saying deputies should get mk-1s. But i do think our server, which is losing cops e.g christopher walken to go and play anzus, should take a note of the things they do, and try improve what we have rn

Yeah declas departure was uncontested.

 

but we do need more jr apd buffs

[CaloomClark 1324]

1 minute ago, sploding said:

Corporal tier 3s make a comeback, promet and shotgun to PO, PD vest to deputies, prowler to PO, hellcat to Corp +.

YES.

[Rossco 1159]

1 minute ago, sploding said:

Corporal tier 3s make a comeback, promet and shotgun to PO, PD vest to deputies, prowler to PO, hellcat to Corp +.

Tier 3s will not be coming back

[LULA 2022 - PT 13 490]

Just now, Rossco said:

Tier 3s will not be coming back

 

It's a 1 shot difference on 5.56 and 6.5, no difference on 7.62 +.

Is civ council so full of speds that they're autistically screeching over one extra bullet?

[Rossco 1159]

Just now, sploding said:

 

It's a 1 shot difference on 5.56 and 6.5, no difference on 7.62 +.

Is civ council so full of speds that they're autistically screeching over one extra bullet?

I’m going to have to transfer you to the department of civilian affairs, so sorry for the confusion 

@Civilian Council

[CaloomClark 1324]

1 minute ago, Rossco said:

I’m going to have to transfer you to the department of civilian affairs, so sorry for the confusion 

@Civilian Council

I AGREE WITH @sploding :))))))

[Cooper:P 778]

3 minutes ago, Rossco said:

I’m going to have to transfer you to the department of civilian affairs, so sorry for the confusion 

@Civilian Council

Sadly coops tried to fight for it but when your the only civ council member that truly did try, it dosnt work 

[Bloodmoon 2222]

23 minutes ago, CaloomClark said:

Players from olympus are leaving, they leave and go play servers like anzus, they play cop on anzus, as you have almost the same gear as your most senior. Not saying deputies should get mk-1s. But i do think our server, which is losing cops e.g christopher walken to go and play anzus, should take a note of the things they do, and try improve what we have rn

Difference is on anzus is that there are gangs that have good players, only gangs on oly that have good players exclusively sit inside warzone and never leave because they are self sufficient there. So then you have these groups that try and do 20+ man federal events and still lose, so then they think the apd is OP because they won't consolidate into 1 gang and kick the shitters.

[CaloomClark 1324]

3 minutes ago, Bloodmoon said:

Difference is on anzus is that there are gangs that have good players, only gangs on oly that have good players exclusively sit inside warzone and never leave because they are self sufficient there. So then you have these groups that try and do 20+ man federal events and still lose, so then they think the apd is OP because they won't consolidate into 1 gang and kick the shitters.

PO's shouldn't have their rank effected as the players are bad on oly. Maybe improve junior APD, groups will start to realise they need more than just numbers, they'll play smarter and hopefully federal events will become more active and more fun, if they buff a few things along side it. As i always say-buff the runs speed. Groups will start to do more feds. They'll get better at them, more cops will log on. Olympus is more active.

[Monks 1662]

39 minutes ago, Rossco said:

Trust us, it do be hard to get cool things passed 

 

scratch that, ANYTHING

Can't even get corp t3 how they expect us to get po t3 

But fr the reason po got really boring when I was one wasn't because of money, or not being able to contribute, or even seniors playing with juniors, it was because NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED. Both servers will filled with less then 50 people 90% of the day and the best fight you would get is a pharm or a random fight with the zergs like silla or noble. Also warzone raids used to be some of the most fun times I had as a po not only bc i got to lethal, but cops would actually have to play smart and stay alive because they had to pay for gear. But for some reason senior pussy levels have gone through the roof and I haven't seen a good cartel raid in like 4 weeks. So my tips are, 

1. Keep the servers merged at non peak times permanently 

2. Raid warzone more 

3. Repeat tip #1

[Zeb 34]

3 hours ago, ThatNerdyGuy said:

With regards to incentive to play, Junior APD, specifically Deputy and PO are receiving an increase in their money in the near future. We as Senior realized that the money reduction that was given went too far and we pulled back some of those reductions.

As for Seniors at Federal Events being the primary person making an impact. That's kind of by design, if we had it where every Deputy or PO made the same impact as even a Corporal, we surely wouldn't have balance.

Yeah I could get the fed event thing but the Jr APD should get buffed tho even if its just a new gear set 

[Zeuse 1240]

38 minutes ago, sploding said:

Corporal tier 3s make a comeback, promet and shotgun to PO, PD vest to deputies, prowler to PO, hellcat to Corp +.

Tier 3s, tried it, denied every time.
Promet too OP, was removed for a reason.
Shotgun isn't a buff lets be honest, it's just a gun to meme around with.
Tier 2s for deputies, again tried it and denied.
Prowler for POs, pretty sure we brought that up a long time ago, can't remember what happened with it though.
Hellcat for corps, Corporals don't really need a buff right now IMO, and also the hellcat is pretty useless.

[Scribble 657]

Congratulations you just signed your perm PO rank

[GG Mk1 82]

1 hour ago, sploding said:

 

It's a 1 shot difference on 5.56 and 6.5, no difference on 7.62 +.

Is civ council so full of speds that they're autistically screeching over one extra bullet?

if its 1 extra bullet why do you need it so bad?

[Millennium 5800]

1 hour ago, sploding said:

Corporal tier 3s make a comeback, promet and shotgun to PO, PD vest to deputies, prowler to PO, hellcat to Corp +.

Promets are stronger than mx's. It can shoot out tempest engines, hemtt engines, and so on. Having majority of the police force having a gun that can disable a trucks engine within 6 shots majorly fucks over civs. It was added to cops and removed quickly because it had a very high penetration.

48 minutes ago, Zeuse said:

Prowler for POs, pretty sure we brought that up a long time ago, can't remember what happened with it though.

was given to corporals

 

 

I just looked back at the last 10 APD roundtables to back this up. The SAPD majority of the time bring up ideas that buff the SAPD and not the Jr. APD. 

 

There were a total of 8 things that got passed and was for Jr. APD (which does not include bank timer adjustment and stuff like that)

1. Jr. APD money adjustment (which civ council was onboard for)

2. Ability to seize gold out vault/money to defuse (for everyone)

3. Flashbang removed nameplate (for everyone)

4. Fix bounty cap (for everyone)

5. P90 for corporal

6. Jeep to deputy, got removed so they could get their taru

7. Armed jeep for corporals, got removed for their taru

8. Prowler for Corporals

There are about 5 others that got denied, 2 of which is t3 vest, 2 of which are the same thing.

^ I would say what they are but don't want to "leak staff stuff" so I will keep it discrete. 

SAPD:

1. Escort event

2. Taru for Sgt+ 

3. Taru varients for LT+

4. AK mag for LT+

5. Invis bergen for staff sgt+

6. Allow SAPD to sling dope crates

7. Ability to adjust hex icon rank logos (Sgt+)

8.  Got denied Cpl+ but mainly for sgt's

9. Got denied for Sgt+

10. Flare gun for sgt+

11. Got denied for Sgt+

12. Cant remember if denied or not

13. Ghosthawk rule change that got denied

14. Lim for LT+

15. UC

 

This is just me quickly looking at them and only the last 10 roundtables. There are times that SAPD do try and buff Jr. APD, but sometimes its just the wrong way of going about it or the wrong thing. Our goal as Civ council isn't to nerf the APD into the fucking dirt. Its is to try and add things to the server and create balance between factions.

If you notice there are plenty of times that SAPD try and paint Civ council as people that make the server shit when in reality the majority of the server is civilians. Without civilians there would no cop. You guys need civs to actually do things as a cop, pull someone over, catching them do a run, etc. If you keep pushing for buffs for apd that screw over civs then it will kill civ life.

I'm willing to buff APD, like the money adjustment, we were willing to adjust it so long as you don't make as much as you used to make. From what I see is that the Sr. APD wan't to buff the APD but aren't able to sacrifice something they may have. They have so many things that are very good and just constantly want buffs.

I personally want there to be an APD force, so feds are fun, banks are fun, fighting cops is aids but fun, etc. We don't attempt to nerf the APD, there are a little amount of times that we have nerfed them recently (seize change to 500k, which helps civs). but you can't ask for buffs that can fuck over the civs so easily. I'm not sure if you knew about the Promet for example on how easy it is to shoot out engines.

I could go on and on talking about this but I don't feel like typing.

Also try not to listen to GOAT he is pretty biased and just tries making everyone else look bad. He doesn't know the right direction of where the server should go like he acts.

 

 

[Tech 672]

22 minutes ago, Millennium said:

1. SAPD Escort event

To be fair this was specifically meant as a way to create content for everyone. It's just that SAPD are the ones to click the go button so they can manage it.

This is probably one of the best things that got passed in an APD roundtable and its going to be fun asf.

Content is how we fix this server.

It doesn't matter how much money po's make or what gear they have when like monks said, You can play cop for 3 hours and have 2 pharmas and a Noble moonshine fight.

[Millennium 5800]

Just now, Tech said:

To be fair this was specifically meant as a way to create content for everyone. It's just that SAPD are the ones to click the go button so they can manage it.

This is probably one of the best things that got passed in an APD roundtable and its going to be fun asf.

I agree, I personally think it should be for Jr apd

[Lucien 3070]

32 minutes ago, Millennium said:

I agree, I personally think it should be for Jr apd

Maybe you just have to have a certain number of cops nearby instead of sapd to start it? Would be a nice change to the event plan. Just a thought I agree it should be for Jr APD because they are the ones online most of the time + there is more of them so more likely it will happen more often

[Zahzi 3015]

2 hours ago, Millennium said:

I agree, I personally think it should be for Jr apd

It is, we're just implementing it with SAPD initiation first so if it ends up busted it's easier to control.

 

[Grandma Gary 10477]

4 hours ago, Zeuse said:

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

@Ryan

[Zahzi 3015]

Just now, Grandma Gary said:

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

@Ryan

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

@Ryan

[Grandma Gary 10477]

4 hours ago, Rossco said:

Yeah declas departure was uncontested.

His departure had nothing to do with how Anzus is run

 

[Monks 1662]

12 minutes ago, Zahzi said:

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

@Ryan

This is also to do with the player pop, when the servers are split so are the cops, server 2 should go back to closing on non peak times.

@Ryan