Rapture 2 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 First I am going to lay out the facts. Rebels have access to everything except buying Ghosthawks. Worker Protections highest caliber is 6.5 as well as vigi, and neither can buy ANY explosives, armed vehicles, or armored vehicles. At least not without getting a bounty or being shot at by APD. What does this mean? It means If your playing as WPL or VIGI your outnumbered 3-1 in almost any fight, even if its a 1v1. How do we know this? TESTING! If you have had the opportunity to test with armor alone then you would know even with a carrier light (tier 3 armor) with a 5.56 caliber it takes 5 shots to either tase or kill someone with it 6.5 takes 3 shots and if your playing VIGI its very hard to obtain the points to obtain a Promat. The Mk1 only takes between 1 and 2, and is the main gun everyone uses when playing rebel. Its a huge problem because guess what? If your playing as a WPL or VIGI good luck shooting anyone out of an Orca, Strider, Hunter, Ifrit, or Ghosthawk let alone even doing the slightest bit of damage! Which brings me to my next point WPL And VIGI have no special vehicles. Why would this matter? Because If your fighting APD or a Rebel you don't even have the chance of running away or running into a fight without getting blasted out of your vehicle right away. It's an even bigger problem If your a VIGI because if APD spots you in one and they rip you out of it, You will get your Vigi license removed! I propose the following to balance the factions: 7.62 to VIGI and WPL for points and put Promat in for money instead of renown shop (spar 17, Rahim, MK1, AKM, AK-12, RPK) Add larger magazines to VIGI (5.56 150RND MAGS, Kar-95 75round mags) Promat slugs to VIGI (For Renown points) Add SDAR to VIGI for underwater bounties and to WPL for Underwater protection IE salvage Add ADR-97 to VIGI and WPL Add Kozlice to VIGI (For Renown Points) Add an MX variant to VIGI Tier 5 Armor and Helmets to VIGI (For Renown points) Add some kind of Armed Vehicle to VIGI (LMG 4wd) Add Strider or Hunter to VIGI with Identifying paint (for Renown Points) Rule change to state clearly that in a fight with other people and you can't tase them you can keep x amount of them tased for as long as you want Add a mechanic to VIGI where you can switch to lethal for 20% (or however much) of the bounty and/or not receive one yourself @ Big John @ Box-C @ Sir Rebral Palsy @ SPBojo @ monster @ WALT @ Siltonious Milton II @ syndrome @ ViiRuS @ kny @ -VACANT- @ Mudiwa @ ares @ nman @ MoChriss @ Frankie @ Bobby Lord @ TheHeroNoob @ MBPslyr @ Rufus @ Ricky Falzo @ Headtaps @ Lucky luciano @ batcan1 2 1 1 2 14 2 Quote Link to comment
Admin TheHeroNoob 386 Posted March 18, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 I hope this is a joke and your not serious Quote Link to comment
monster 5534 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 you are smoking straight meth. 1 Quote Link to comment
SW Deez 3 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 i agree with this post vigis are down 3-1 in any fight when all everyone runs nowadays are mk1s that go thur everything. Quote Link to comment
Lead Developer Fraali 1262 Posted March 18, 2023 Lead Developer Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 There are so many reasons to NOT do any of what you've said. The reason wpl/vigi is limited in their armaments is because they shouldnt be fighting the APD like you brought up. They require more of a brain to play instead of "haha mk1 go brr" blind-firing into the side of a frit. You have to play to your advantages, or you will likely lose. 7.62 will never be added to vigilante or WPL, nor will any armed vehicles. Also seems like you're smoking meth with a few of those suggestions. 3 hours ago, NoMeansAnal said: Promat slugs to VIGI (For Renown points) Add SDAR to VIGI for underwater bounties and to WPL for Underwater protection IE salvage Tier 5 Armor and Helmets to VIGI (For Renown points) Add some kind of Armed Vehicle to VIGI (LMG 4wd) Rule change to state clearly that in a fight with other people and you can't tase them you can keep x amount of them tased for as long as you want Add a mechanic to VIGI where you can switch to lethal for 20% (or however much) of the bounty and/or not receive one yourself All very poorly thought out ideas in my opinion. T5 isnt available anywhere on the server and we dont plan it to be, the rule change you propose is VERY easily abusable and will not be implemented. For the "killing mechanic", you're a vigi. You either tase and restrain a kid, and take him away, or you leave him there if you cant restrain him. Not killing is kinda the only thing a vigi has as a real restriction. 4 Quote Link to comment
ThatNerdyGuy 5904 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Also, if those are the things you want without the same rule set of APD? Just apply for the police at Olympus-entertainment.com/support 2 Quote Link to comment
SPBojo 6779 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 @ Robinhood did fine as a vigi : ) git gud? 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Jefferryeddie 42 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Lmfao Quote Link to comment
Admin Diamond 326 Posted March 18, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 7 hours ago, NoMeansAnal said: First I am going to lay out the facts. Rebels have access to everything except buying Ghosthawks. Worker Protections highest caliber is 6.5 as well as vigi, and neither can buy ANY explosives, armed vehicles, or armored vehicles. At least not without getting a bounty or being shot at by APD. What does this mean? It means If your playing as WPL or VIGI your outnumbered 3-1 in almost any fight, even if its a 1v1. How do we know this? TESTING! If you have had the opportunity to test with armor alone then you would know even with a carrier light (tier 3 armor) with a 5.56 caliber it takes 5 shots to either tase or kill someone with it 6.5 takes 3 shots and if your playing VIGI its very hard to obtain the points to obtain a Promat. The Mk1 only takes between 1 and 2, and is the main gun everyone uses when playing rebel. Its a huge problem because guess what? If your playing as a WPL or VIGI good luck shooting anyone out of an Orca, Strider, Hunter, Ifrit, or Ghosthawk let alone even doing the slightest bit of damage! Which brings me to my next point WPL And VIGI have no special vehicles. Why would this matter? Because If your fighting APD or a Rebel you don't even have the chance of running away or running into a fight without getting blasted out of your vehicle right away. It's an even bigger problem If your a VIGI because if APD spots you in one and they rip you out of it, You will get your Vigi license removed! I propose the following to balance the factions: 7.62 to VIGI and WPL for points and put Promat in for money instead of renown shop (spar 17, Rahim, MK1, AKM, AK-12, RPK) Add larger magazines to VIGI (5.56 150RND MAGS, Kar-95 75round mags) Promat slugs to VIGI (For Renown points) Add SDAR to VIGI for underwater bounties and to WPL for Underwater protection IE salvage Add ADR-97 to VIGI and WPL Add Kozlice to VIGI (For Renown Points) Add an MX variant to VIGI Tier 5 Armor and Helmets to VIGI (For Renown points) Add some kind of Armed Vehicle to VIGI (LMG 4wd) Add Strider or Hunter to VIGI with Identifying paint (for Renown Points) Rule change to state clearly that in a fight with other people and you can't tase them you can keep x amount of them tased for as long as you want Add a mechanic to VIGI where you can switch to lethal for 20% (or however much) of the bounty and/or not receive one yourself @ Big John @ Box-C @ Sir Rebral Palsy @ SPBojo @ monster @ WALT @ Siltonious Milton II @ syndrome @ ViiRuS @ kny @ -VACANT- @ Mudiwa @ ares @ nman @ MoChriss @ Frankie @ Bobby Lord @ TheHeroNoob @ MBPslyr @ Rufus @ Ricky Falzo @ Headtaps @ Lucky luciano @ batcan1 Its really quite simple go buy a Rebel license if you want all that. If you want a taser while being a rebel, GREAT, go rob a cop or buy a taser from black market. Vigi and WPL are Sub civilian license's. they should not in any way have access to anything that you stated. They are not the APD, and they are not Rebels. 1 Quote Link to comment
d a k o t a 271 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 add advanced workers pro and give them spar17 as a 7.62. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Millennium 5322 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, N9ne- said: had to save this pic lmao 1 Quote Link to comment
Ben Shapiro 1077 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 16 hours ago, Rapture said: Add ADR-97 to VIGI and WPL 16 hours ago, Rapture said: Add an MX variant to VIGI 16 hours ago, Rapture said: Add Strider or Hunter to VIGI with Identifying paint (for Renown Points) These three are fine Vigis should be assigned bounties like asylum instead of being able to vigi anyone above 75k. In its current state vigi is boring to both play and fight against and encourages camping. 2 Quote Link to comment
Lucien 2746 Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 5:41 PM, Ben Shapiro said: These three are fine Vigis should be assigned bounties like asylum instead of being able to vigi anyone above 75k. In its current state vigi is boring to both play and fight against and encourages camping. T5/300+ vigi on oly, max honor with 150k+ on asylum Olympus vigi is incredibly boring and repetitive compared to asylum, not to mention just constantly walking on eggshells because some braindead cop can delete your progress 3 1 Quote Link to comment
YakGod 204 Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 8:31 AM, Rapture said: First I am going to lay out the facts. Rebels have access to everything except buying Ghosthawks. Worker Protections highest caliber is 6.5 as well as vigi, and neither can buy ANY explosives, armed vehicles, or armored vehicles. At least not without getting a bounty or being shot at by APD. What does this mean? It means If your playing as WPL or VIGI your outnumbered 3-1 in almost any fight, even if its a 1v1. How do we know this? TESTING! If you have had the opportunity to test with armor alone then you would know even with a carrier light (tier 3 armor) with a 5.56 caliber it takes 5 shots to either tase or kill someone with it 6.5 takes 3 shots and if your playing VIGI its very hard to obtain the points to obtain a Promat. The Mk1 only takes between 1 and 2, and is the main gun everyone uses when playing rebel. Its a huge problem because guess what? If your playing as a WPL or VIGI good luck shooting anyone out of an Orca, Strider, Hunter, Ifrit, or Ghosthawk let alone even doing the slightest bit of damage! Which brings me to my next point WPL And VIGI have no special vehicles. Why would this matter? Because If your fighting APD or a Rebel you don't even have the chance of running away or running into a fight without getting blasted out of your vehicle right away. It's an even bigger problem If your a VIGI because if APD spots you in one and they rip you out of it, You will get your Vigi license removed! I propose the following to balance the factions: 7.62 to VIGI and WPL for points and put Promat in for money instead of renown shop (spar 17, Rahim, MK1, AKM, AK-12, RPK) Add larger magazines to VIGI (5.56 150RND MAGS, Kar-95 75round mags) Promat slugs to VIGI (For Renown points) Add SDAR to VIGI for underwater bounties and to WPL for Underwater protection IE salvage Add ADR-97 to VIGI and WPL Add Kozlice to VIGI (For Renown Points) Add an MX variant to VIGI Tier 5 Armor and Helmets to VIGI (For Renown points) Add some kind of Armed Vehicle to VIGI (LMG 4wd) Add Strider or Hunter to VIGI with Identifying paint (for Renown Points) Rule change to state clearly that in a fight with other people and you can't tase them you can keep x amount of them tased for as long as you want Add a mechanic to VIGI where you can switch to lethal for 20% (or however much) of the bounty and/or not receive one yourself @ Big John @ Box-C @ Sir Rebral Palsy @ SPBojo @ monster @ WALT @ Siltonious Milton II @ syndrome @ ViiRuS @ kny @ -VACANT- @ Mudiwa @ ares @ nman @ MoChriss @ Frankie @ Bobby Lord @ TheHeroNoob @ MBPslyr @ Rufus @ Ricky Falzo @ Headtaps @ Lucky luciano @ batcan1 Not meant to be fighting the cops with either of the 2 roles you have just talked about really Quote Link to comment
Mayo762 60 Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 No bro. No one wants your vigi gang running around with promet slugs, 1 Quote Link to comment
Admin Noble 1715 Posted March 21, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: First I am going to lay out the facts. Rebels have access to everything except buying Ghosthawks Wow starting off with a incorrect fact! zafir, RPG, AMULUT, DMS, AT Jeep, I could keep going but ill stop On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: Worker Protections highest caliber is 6.5 as well as vigi, and neither can buy ANY explosives, armed vehicles, or armored vehicles. That's the point, that's rebel armament. rebs dont get a buff on legal good sales. On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: At least not without getting a bounty or being shot at by APD. What does this mean? Same for rebs. On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: It means If your playing as WPL or VIGI your outnumbered 3-1 in almost any fight, even if its a 1v1. How do we know this? TESTING! outnumbered would mean group size. your License does not correlate in any way to the amount of people you play with. On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: carrier light (tier 3 armor) with a 5.56 caliber it takes 5 shots to either tase or kill someone with it 6.5 takes 3 shots Arma is a shit game, i know i speak for many when i say i have been one shot by a PO7 in full t3 On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: very hard to obtain the points to obtain a Promat Yeah not too sure when we are adding pro mats to the game On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: The Mk1 only takes between 1 and 2, Someone has not fought @ WALT On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: VIGI because if APD spots you in one and they rip you out of it, You will get your Vigi license removed! Thats the point vigi should not be fighting APD On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: Promat slugs to VIGI 1 shot 500m no thanks On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: keep x amount of them tased for as long as you want ah yes lets let someone be held in restraints for an entire restart On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: Tier 5 Armor and Helmets to VIGI (For Renown points) REB cant even get this haha. BW item On 3/18/2023 at 4:31 AM, Rapture said: Add a mechanic to VIGI where you can switch to lethal for 20% (or however much) of the bounty and/or not receive one yourself Go get corp. the point of vigi is to arrest Never seen a post this silly in my life! 1 Quote Link to comment
doubleueyeceekay 446 Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 11 hours ago, YakGod said: Not meant to be fighting the cops with either of the 2 roles you have just talked about really usually end up fighting the cops as wpl since whenever you try to organise a pardon you get fucked off or ignored so they only take notice of you when your bounty is high then get pumped by them Quote Link to comment
Joce 255 Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 3/18/2023 at 7:43 AM, Fraali said: There are so many reasons to NOT do any of what you've said. The reason wpl/vigi is limited in their armaments is because they shouldnt be fighting the APD like you brought up. They require more of a brain to play instead of "haha mk1 go brr" blind-firing into the side of a frit. You have to play to your advantages, or you will likely lose. 7.62 will never be added to vigilante or WPL, nor will any armed vehicles. Also seems like you're smoking meth with a few of those suggestions. All very poorly thought out ideas in my opinion. T5 isnt available anywhere on the server and we dont plan it to be, the rule change you propose is VERY easily abusable and will not be implemented. For the "killing mechanic", you're a vigi. You either tase and restrain a kid, and take him away, or you leave him there if you cant restrain him. Not killing is kinda the only thing a vigi has as a real restriction. HAHAAHA rebels are brain dead bots i knew it! No skill? no prob. get a rebel license. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
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