If rpgs are removed or nerfed there would have to be some way to counter balence cops using shittons of armored vics during event responses. (I am too poor to use an rpg but its the only way ive seen people be able to defeat hunter spam)

3 minutes ago, Mister Miracle said:

If rpgs are removed or nerfed there would have to be some way to counter balence cops using shittons of armored vics during event responses. (I am too poor to use an rpg but its the only way ive seen people be able to defeat hunter spam)

Flat out removal is not the route we wish to take but the RPG as a whole is currently being looked into, once something concrete is decided upon there will be more info on the matter.

once again a shitty round table

Why are all the changes under civilian APD changes? Shouldn't civ council change shit for civs? Also i find the reasoning for some of the denies so fucking funny, ex. 

• Special Purpose Uniform + SPMG - @ monster 
  • Stackable with Blackwater/ Cop Tier-4 Vests and Tier-5 Vests
  • Not stackable with Rebel Tier-3 Vests or GLS
  • Rarity: (Ultra-rare)

Reason for denial: No place in a life server

I guess having APD having access to unlimited GHOST HAWKS and or full waves of ARMORED vehicles has place in a life server. Buff apd YIPIEEEEEE

 

3 minutes ago, Metro Boomin said:

Why are all the changes under civilian APD changes? Shouldn't civ council change shit for civs? Also i find the reasoning for some of the denies so fucking funny, ex. 

• Special Purpose Uniform + SPMG - @ monster 
  • Stackable with Blackwater/ Cop Tier-4 Vests and Tier-5 Vests
  • Not stackable with Rebel Tier-3 Vests or GLS
  • Rarity: (Ultra-rare)

Reason for denial: No place in a life server

I guess having APD having access to unlimited GHOST HAWKS and or full waves of ARMORED vehicles has place in a life server. Buff apd YIPIEEEEEE

 

Ignoring the balence aspect of it all. It does kind of make sense to me from a roleplay standpoint that the LE presence on a dogshit Mediterranean island full of "rebels" would have military grade bullshit and be brutal about using it.

1 minute ago, Mister Miracle said:

Ignoring the balence aspect of it all. It does kind of make sense to me from a roleplay standpoint that the LE presence on a dogshit Mediterranean island full of "rebels" would have military grade bullshit and be brutal about using it.

500k per ghawk is op

• Special Purpose Uniform + SPMG - @ monster 
  • Stackable with Blackwater/ Cop Tier-4 Vests and Tier-5 Vests
  • Not stackable with Rebel Tier-3 Vests or GLS
  • Rarity: (Ultra-rare)

Reason for denial: No place in a life server

the medic xian and the director blackfoot ruins my roleplay experience as it shouldn't be on a life server cause a real life medic wouldn't be flying around in them

3 hours ago, Mister Miracle said:

If rpgs are removed or nerfed there would have to be some way to counter balence cops using shittons of armored vics during event responses. (I am too poor to use an rpg but its the only way ive seen people be able to defeat hunter spam)

even better when the cops have unlimited armor because of admin money

Illegal area charge is cringe as fuck dont do that please 

youre just fucking vigis that already have too many things they can get removed from hundreds of hours of grinding for

4 minutes ago, Snake said:

Illegal area charge is cringe as fuck dont do that please 

youre just fucking vigis that already have too many things they can get removed from hundreds of hours of grinding for

Fr. Guess vigis cant go into illegal zones to get bountys anymore. Gg to that faction. Only kav and athira rats will be left

fuck vigis if you are caught in a redzone your license is on sight 

30 minutes ago, Snake said:

Illegal area charge is cringe as fuck dont do that please 

youre just fucking vigis that already have too many things they can get removed from hundreds of hours of grinding for

25 minutes ago, Mister Miracle said:

Fr. Guess vigis cant go into illegal zones to get bountys anymore. Gg to that faction. Only kav and athira rats will be left

19 minutes ago, Skys said:

fuck vigis if you are caught in a redzone your license is on sight 

@ SPBojo  might want to fix it and copy the whole thing lmao

17 minutes ago, Lucien said:

 

@ SPBojo  might want to fix it and copy the whole thing lmao

37 minutes ago, Skys said:

fuck vigis if you are caught in a redzone your license is on sight 

42 minutes ago, Mister Miracle said:

Fr. Guess vigis cant go into illegal zones to get bountys anymore. Gg to that faction. Only kav and athira rats will be left

48 minutes ago, Snake said:

Illegal area charge is cringe as fuck dont do that please 

youre just fucking vigis that already have too many things they can get removed from hundreds of hours of grinding for

Did no one read the "only to be assigned if they're loitering and there's due cause" part? A vigi going into a redzone to apprehend a wanted criminal is not viewed as due cause / the vigi loitering there.... (Main post has also been updated to be "easier" to understand / more clarifying in regards to that point specifically)

1 minute ago, SPBojo said:

Did no one read the "only to be assigned if they're loitering and there's due cause" part? A vigi going into a redzone to apprehend a wanted criminal is not viewed as due cause / the vigi loitering there....

i just like saying fuck vigis to be fair

4 minutes ago, Skys said:

i just like saying fuck vigis to be fair

Updated it with better wording / updated info. "This charge would not allow you to seize weapons, revoke licences, or lower tiers" but i do see where you are coming from

• Charge for being in an illegal area. 
  • Entering an illegal area. 
  • First Offence $10k, Second Offence $10k, Third Offence Jail.
  • Add if a suspect is found entering, within, or leaving an illegal area without due cause. 
  • This charge would not allow you to seize weapons, revoke licences, or lower tiers.
    
    
    
    L charge, still gonna camp rebels on vigi. I'll prob get my T5 ripped (for going to jail due to this charge) for doing what I normally do, arrest x amount at this rebel, move to next one. Feel like this is chopping off the limbs of an already dying vigi population. Remember there's vigilante in the server title for a reason. APD getting another reason to fuck with progress that took some players hundreds of hours to get T5 is cringe af.
     

4 minutes ago, Element_ said:

L charge, still gonna camp rebels on vigi. I'll prob get my T5 ripped (for going to jail due to this charge) for doing what I normally do, arrest x amount at this rebel, move to next one. Feel like this is chopping off the limbs of an already dying vigi population. Remember there's vigilante in the server title for a reason. APD getting another reason to fuck with progress that took some players hundreds of hours to get T5 is cringe af.

"This charge would not allow you to seize weapons, revoke licences, or lower tiers."

Quick question on the ALPR, does "5 seconds to open" mean from scrollwheel it will take 5 seconds to start capturing or it will take a full 5 seconds from first contact to showing the information?

Also on that note, the current radar function through shift L barely works in the sense that getting a hit is very rng based. Will you have to maintain ALPR contact for 5 seconds before the information appears?

8 minutes ago, LULA 2022 - PT 13 said:

Quick question on the ALPR, does "5 seconds to open" mean from scrollwheel it will take 5 seconds to start capturing or it will take a full 5 seconds from first contact to showing the information?

Also on that note, the current radar function through shift L barely works in the sense that getting a hit is very rng based. Will you have to maintain ALPR contact for 5 seconds before the information appears?

The way it was explained was "You open it and have to hold it on x for 5 seconds" so for the second question id assume it would be 5 seconds in one go as there was no mention of it being 5 seconds total regardless of downtime. Id also assume with this the radar feature as a whole will prob get benched / fixed / this system will have better radar in general.

43 minutes ago, SPBojo said:

The way it was explained was "You open it and have to hold it on x for 5 seconds" so for the second question id assume it would be 5 seconds in one go as there was no mention of it being 5 seconds total regardless of downtime. Id also assume with this the radar feature as a whole will prob get benched / fixed / this system will have better radar in general.

Oh yeah, the current radar sucks so having you hold it on for 5 as it currently is would be as good as nothing.

On that note, we'll have to see it implemented to see how it works but I think a priori it should be 2 seconds or instant speed but longer hold for name. As is, by the time the thing gives you a name you'd be close enough to have it anyways.

Speaking of Vigis, can we please do a review of what licenses can be seized or lowered for?

as things stand you can get completely fucked out of hundreds of hours of work for extremely minor shit. I understand we want people to follow the law if they’re vigi, but charges like party to a crime lowering tier really can hurt someone who may not have done anything. 
 

I saw a friend have a tier lowered when he was just shy of t5 (3 or 4 arrests) all the way back to 3 for party to a crime. He did not engage the police at all, specifically because he’s a vigilante, but he still caught a charge because we were fighting the cops. This is lame and shouldn’t happen. Vigi is way too hard to grind to allow any cop to make the decision to lower a rank or remove it. Perhaps we make that be a SGT+ decision point. Anything at all that makes that grind less intensely scary. 

I was having so much fun playing vig until I found out about party to a crime. If any of my friends shoot at cops I could lose all my hard work over it - it’s not a fair charge and needs removed 

On 7/21/2023 at 7:13 PM, Snake said:

Perhaps we make that be a SGT+ decision point. Anything at all that makes that grind less intensely scary. 

I was having so much fun playing vig until I found out about party to a crime. If any of my friends shoot at cops I could lose all my hard work over it - it’s not a fair charge and needs removed 

Three things.

1. Any cop lowering a tier just for party to a crime is bitchmade, I'd say find the cop's Sgt or Lt on the CoC and message them the video as it's not IA worthy but it is a breach of general decorum (or at least it was when I was active). But keep in mind that it's situational, if the vigi is driving the getaway car in a fight where cops were tased/taken, or is involved in an event like pharma that's a whole different story. There's wrong place - wrong time, then there's doing a support function that would be done by someone on the crew regardless. There's also a huge disdain for vigis who help robbery crews, even just pulling security becomes unbalanced due to your taser.
2. Having it be a Sgt + authority would effectively take it off the table. More often than not the highest ranking officer on the server is a Cpl, unless we allow cops to seize your shit while you're offline through Life Control (never happening) it's just not viable. And more often than not the decision is solid, I have 1300 cop hours and nowadays play about 8-12 a month. Maybe it's the times I play or how I run my patrols, but in 5 years as an active APD officer from 2017-2022 (2 as Cpl + 1 as FTO) I've never seen these great injustices firsthand.
3. The first line of the vigi rules is that they're not above the law or server rules. As a vigi you can still play with friends, have fun, and do illegal stuff, but use your brain and know when to walk away. I speak for about 70% of the APD when I say you don't need to be a choir boy, but you do need to make choices that will protect what you've earned. There's a difference between a vigi doing an illegal run where they just drive away and a vigi helping others rob legal runs, do pharmaceuticals or similar events. You know the grind and often for the APD perception is reality, if you know it looks sketchy sit it out and go do something else.

I'm not a vigi, but I can appreciate that you guys do a lot of work for it. Just like most Cpls having 300+ hours shouldn't shield them from disciplinary action for sketchy shit, tier 3+ shouldn't be an aegis from being held accountable for your actions. If you're courteous to the APD when they interact with you, build name recognition, and don't engage in unethical conduct your chances of facing an arbitrary punishment plummet.

The other side is I'll openly admit to ripping vigis for petty stuff after they had built up a reputation for following the APD to steal bounties, going to support when they were in the wrong and being belligerent dicks. There was a vigi who would follow the APD around in Kav and try to engage everyone the APD didn't go code 3 or chose to let go. You bet your ass the day I caught him with a manslaughter I seized his shit without a second thought.

Perhaps an (admittedly) RP-heavy middle ground could be mandatory reporting on vigilante seizures and reductions past tier 3. When seizing or reducing a vigi license officers would need to fill out a quick google form with the IGN (or PID if they choose to provide it) of the vigilante, a justification for the seizure (immune from meta e.g. subject has a history of impeding the APD would be a valid reason) and supporting documents if they exist. Not worth much, but if the vigi feels it's unfair they could request a copy of the report and appeal it with staff and it would make it easier for staff and SAPD to see if there was a pattern of an individual being targeted or certain officers forgoing RP/discretion.